and so it begins. we're going to have nearly nine plus hours of incredible coverage of the final big primary night of the presidential season. good evening. welcome to our special coverage of 2016 and the last big primary night of the year. i'm chuck todded in new york. six states are holding contests tonight. less than three hours away from the first poll closing in new jersey. but the big question tonight, don't have to deal with the poll closing times. what is bernie sanders going to do and say to be the -- tonight? is the republican party on the

brink of insurrection. there are three things we're watching. history in the making. after a roller coaster of political highs and lows since launching her first campaign for president, and almost eight years to the day after ending that campaign, hillary clinton has clenched the nomination as far as our numbers are concerned. she did it last night. becoming the first female presumptive nominee of a major party in american history. but sanders doesn't seem ready to step aside. we'll hear from the campaign managers from clinton and sanders in a minute. the second big story we're watching tonight. trump's troubles seem to be getting worse. the presumptive republican nominee now feeling more heat from top republicans for his attacks on a federal judge who happens to be of mexican descend. >> i would like to support our nominee, i just can't. i would love to be able to support our nominee, and i think his extents were racist. >> claiming a person can't do their job because they're racist

is like the textbook definition of a racist comment. i think that should be disavowed. it's unacceptable. >> just over an hour ago the republican senator with a biggest chance of losing his seat pulled his support from trump official. >> i cannot support him. >> that was the final straw for you? do you hope that other members of your party do what you're doing now? >> i do. >> that was my colleague hallie jackson catching up with republican senator mark kirk in the halls of congress. and the third big thing we've watching tonight, as i mentioned at the start. it is all about the sanders strategy of quote, unquote, landing the plane. the vermont senator gave clinton a race that nobody saw coming. the staff said a campaign will begin a new face tomorrow. sanders doesn't appear to be

ready to accept the fact he's lost. >> and i should point out all the democratic delegates going to philadelphia in every instance we beat trump by far larger numbers than does hillary clinton. >>well, let's kick the night off with the two campaign managers of the two democratic cane campaigns. we begin with the bernie sanders campaign in l.a. welcome back to the show. >> thank you. >> congratulations on what has been an incredible run no matter what the results are tonight. and i know it's been exhausting and i'm sure people aren't acknowledging that enough these days. congratulations. >> we all need a vacation. >> you'll get to sleep at some point. i promise. riddle me this, what does bernie sanders have to do tonight to give you a rashal to say the primary isn't over?

>> he has over 10 million votes. he's run the most successful insurgent political campaign in the history of the country outside of the president obama's. so i think he already established his validity going forward. he has over 45% of the electorate. we'll see tonight may go higher than that, obviously. he wants to go to the convention. he's certainly the strongest candidate against donald trump. the polling is consistently showing that. obviously if he wins in california tonight, it will strengthen the argument. i don't think it will change the argument. it will strengthen it. >> why doesn't the california question actually change the argument? i mean, i'm willing to buy into your argument if you win california and get you closer. i get that argument. but if you don't win california, you will not have a majority of the raw vote or the pledged delegates. you are behind on super delegates. you have will lost nine of the

ten largest states in the country. it would be another state with the diverse electorate you didn't win. don't you have to have california to basically have this rationale to go convention? >> we won the most diverse state which is hawaii and michigan. we have won many diverse states in this country. california, as i said strengthening the argument if we win. losing by one vote versus by winning by one vote is the deal breaker here. >> what is bernie sanders' commitment to party unity? >> a strong commitment to party unity. he's committed to uniting the party going into the fall and beating donald trump. that's not the question now. who should be the nominee, who should be the standard bearer. who can best beat trump. who can best help democrats up-and-down the ballot. i'll tell you when the process is over this party will be united and determined to defeat trump and the republicans. there's no doubt about that. >> what would convince you

that -- and senator sanders that you didn't have the numbers to win this nomination? >> well, i don't speak for him. so, you know, i work for him. he'll have to be -- he drives the train and i'm just a conductor. >> okay. is it numbers? is it your own survey of super delegates? what is it that will say, okay, you know what metric is he -- does he want to use here? >> well, i think the metric is can enough super delegates be persuaded to support his candidacy he can get over the 2383 numbers. we didn't make the rules in this process. we entered the process with the rules established. as they are now if you don't have 2383 pledged delegates the super delegates will decide. >> what makes you think somehow an argument you've been making publicly for six weeks now, because basically for six straight weeks when national polls have consistency polled both of you. bernie sanders -- you're right.

your talking point is 100% correct. he's stronger against donald trump according to polling than hillary clinton is. how many super delegates have flipped so far based on that argument? >> well, i can't tell you there are any. i can tell you super delegates are going to be voting at the end of july. they're like every other voter. they're going to focus on the election. >> but momentum begets monumental. it would be a big deal if you could find one to flip based on this argument. i'm guessing you would have promoted it like crazy. one could beget two and so on and so on. >> four and eight. >> exactly. where are they? why hasn't the argument worked up until now? >> we're using a surrogate operation now. once we get past the part of this process where people are -- are done with voting in california and other states. that will intensify the outreach to the super delegates. i think a lot of super delegates, frankly, they want to see how the primaries and caucuses turn out. they know they have time between the end of that process and the

convention. >> i was going to let you finish your thought. sorry. >> as i said, i think you'll see a lot more intense communication going on in the coming weeks. >> jeff weaver, i'll leave it there. good to talk to you. appreciate it. let's turn to the other side. rob, first of all, congratulations for getting to this point. as i said to jeff weaver. it's not easy being a campaign manager being all these late night. you've made it here. you're exhausted. just to get here, congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> is there anything that jeff weaver said that you disagree with as far as the idea of the rationale of whether they should be able to go on to a contested convention? >> first of all, i agree the party is going to unify behind the nominee. the stakes of the trump presidency are too high for us not to do that. you know, let's let the voters in california have their say in the other five states that are voting today have their say and we'll see after that.

i think it's incumbent on jeff and their campaign to keep going. to keep making a rationale. let's see where the votes land tonight and then move from there. >> do you think california is a barometer that you're going to use? if you lose california it's harder for you to tell sanders to give it up. >> as nbc said, hilary has the delegates to win the nomination. so, in fact -- >> do you believe that? >> yes. yes, i do. >> okay. go ahead. >> it's important we let the voters in california and these other five states have their say. make their voices heard. hillary said she was going to compete for every vote. all that said the math is clear. hillary is going to be the nominee. we're going to celebrate tonight. we're going to celebrate not only her winning but the historic nature of this victory. that's exciting and something we want to celebrate. the math is clear. and i, you know, it is hard to see the mathematical rational for the sanders campaign, but

let's let them have their say and let the voters go to the polls. >> bernie sanders, this is a guy who basically came in from the outside and showed, boy, he could, you know, this was a race. okay. you didn't have it easy. i'm sure at times you never thought you would be in a race with a 74-year-old socialist who was never a member of the democratic party. what has he earned for this convention and for a party leadership role in the future? has he earned you considering him as a running mate? >> he earned a lot of credit for, first of all, bringing attention to important issues like campaign finance reform, like helping people afford college. those issues and all the work that his supporters have done deserve credit and those issues deserve attention and platform. they deserve to be part of the dialogue in this campaign. and his supporters deserve a place in the nominee's campaign. it's important that the entire

party, his campaign, the clinton campaign come together, unify a common purpose to keep the white house in democratic hands. >> do you accept the idea it's important to sanders supporters they get a real roll call? they get to be able to place his name in the nomination as well as hillary clinton's mname in a nomination. or do you think that unnecessarily creates a divisive environment? >> i think it's too early to talk about the convention and the agenda of the convention. as i said, what i think is important is everyone have a place in the democratic party and have a place in the nominee's campaign. we've got to come together. and it is incumbent on the nominee to invite everyone in to their campaign. and it is incumbent on the other candidate to pull their people into that campaign. >> you didn't commit to a full fej roll call. there's a phony roll call and the real one and i think, for instance, ron paul wanted and i

think some sanders supporters want. >> there are literally millions of people who have turn out and vote. it's way too early to start talking about the convention. we're going to let people vote tonight and go from there. >> are you fully convinced that donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. are you operating on that assumption? >> i think it is very likely. i'm not an expert on republican politics but he's clearly has the vote going into that first round of voting at the convention. their rules a little bit more byzantine than the democratic rules. we have to expect that today. >> their strongest argument and your weakest argument is the match up with the trump at the polls. clinton/trump looks close. sanders/trump doesn't. why shouldn't that matter to super delegates? first of all, let's step back and look. hillary clinton has been in the game fighting for families for decades. you pay a price for that. she's made a real difference in people's lives passing the children's health insurance program. she fought for universal health care. she got -- she took on the insurance company.

she got knocked down and got back up. >> i hear you. >> that's where you're seeing. whoever the democratic nominee is going to face a baa radiology of spending from super pacs. we have to get rid of citizens united. we can talk about hypotheticals now. the fact of the matter it's going to be a close contest. >> you think because he's not been attacked he's not ready. it. >> i think if you've been attacked as much as she has for standing up for people, yeah, you pay a price for that. but, look, when you put hillary clinton against donald trump the differences could not be clearer. the stakes could not be higher. i'm not worrying -- i think sanders people would say the differences are greater than clinton and trump. >> i do not think that senator sanders had to endure the attacks from the right wing that hillary clinton has. >> robbie mook.

don't forget to look back and, you know -- not everybody gets to do what you did. >> i appreciate that. it's a real privilege. and the credit goes to the thousands of volunteers across the country making this possible. >> get some sleep. >> thanks. >> sometime next year. shattering the glass ceiling. what hillary clinton's historic nomination means for the country and the world. meanwhile, trump faces the biggest blowback yet. it has to do with comments, of course, he's been making about the judge in the trump university case. we'll discuss trump's what appears right now to look like a slow motion train wreck if the party doesn't figure out what to do. is there anything they can do? stay tuned.

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racism. we'll have more on trump and whether this is turning into a train wreck for the party. straight ahead.

welcome back. you can argue it's the bigger story tonight. they're heading to the polls for the last time in the primary season and as the party confr t confronts another crisis created by trump. we're watching what appears and look like a slow motion train wreck following trump's repeated attacks on a federal judge he said is unfit to preside over the trump university lawsuits because of his mexican heritage. after intense scrutiny, bloomberg reported that trump told his surrogates to double down on attacks and impugn both the media as racists and go after the judge. trump's campaign manager that the report is not accurate but refused to say how it was not

accurate. the fall out continued to grow. paul ryan slammed trump's comments as racist. lindsey graham begged trump's backers to disavow their support. which ryan did not yet do. here is kbram graham with my colleague hallie jackson. >> if you're comfortable with that kind of rhetoric, it says more about you than me. a lot of people want to be loyal to the republican party, including me. but there will come a point in time where we have to understand that it's not just about the 2016 race. it's about the future of the party. and i would like to support our nominee, i just can't. >> reporter: you seem emotional a little bit. are you? >> this is not a good day. >> and late this afternoon, we saw our first unendorsement, if you want to call it that. senator mark kirk up for re-election, very much in a uphill battle for a blue state in a presidential year initially said he would support trump once he clenched the nomination.

now he cannot support him because what he called trump's bigoted comments. moments ago trump put out a lengthy statement further explaining his criticisms of the judge. mr. trump has not asked for an official recusal of this judge. his attorneys have not asked for that. that's an important point. they're confronting a potential electoral crisis nationally. similar to what happened to the party in california. call it the gop's pete wilson moment. the flip from deep red to blue can be traced baaing to the 1994 re-election campaign. he largely blame the state's problems on immigration. wilson won but the backlash among latino voters basically

purged the republicans from statewide power. you'll probably get a reminder of that fall out tonight. the leading republican candidate for senator will be shut out mostly of the state's jungle primary because the top two vote getters will be democrats. two democrats facing off in a general election for the u.s. senate. that's marginalized the republican party has become in california. it took 22 years for the gop to get to this point. it's potentially the national crisis they're facing here. let's bring in a great panel. ben ginsburg. man hay worth, and eugene robinson. and i have oklahoma republican congressman tom colt who is, of course, the only former political pollster serving in congress. so, congressman cole, i start with you. you are on the ballot this year. how comfortable are you with donald trump as the republican party standard barer today at

5:21 eastern time? >> well, probably less comfortable at 5:21 today than a week ago. look, i think the real question here is whether or not you recognize you made a mistake and you begin to back away from it. i looked at the statement i saw a few minutes ago that suggests mr. trump decided not to talk about it anymore and at least if he wants to question whether or not he's going -- he needs to be on the merits of the handling of the case without any kind of racial or ethnic background. if he learns this lesson here, it'll be hard learned. it'll be a step in the right direction. >> any evidence he'll learn a lesson from this? >> tom is one of our wisest heads in the republican party. i'm hoping very much he's right that trump will have to learn a lesson from this. but what pints out -- the thing we have to remember about donald

trump is he reflects what he thinks people want to hear. this is a regrettable thing he has done. he thought, obviously, it would resonate among his voters. one of the change challenges our politics is it's sufficed. that no way excuses trump's remarks. they were absolutely beyond any support by any member of the party. and it is time for him to lead the way. >> i want to get the to ben in a minute. ben is going to be our lawyer here for a second about the nomination. >> i'm not a lawyer. >> no. you're not. it is startling today that paul ryan said this same was racist. >> yeah. >> you have people saying the sometime is racist. i want to believe he's not. >> yeah. right. >> i've never seen a hair split like that before. >> yeah. and my view, actually, is always

been focus on the statements and the deed. right. you can't know what is in somebody else's heart. racist statements are enough, for me, frankly. and i think they're enough for a lot of people. they're enough for lindsey graham and enough for, you know, this is a fascinating moment in this campaign. the first unendorsement from mark kirk. so you to wonder if more will come. donald trump said you're right he says what he says what he thinks people want to hear. sometimes thinks he thinks they're thinking but won't says. he'll say what is obsessing. he talks about his own obsession. this case is one of clearly his own obsessions. >> that's the thing. >>, you know, two spends ten minutes of campaign rally rambling on about a personal lawsuit? >> ben, you know the rules of the republican party. i'm only hearing small chatter about, okay, there is still six weeks before cleveland.

what would that look like? if paul ryan and mitch mcconnell got up tomorrow and said we're done. we're not for him. we think it hurts the party to be more for him than against him. we're going to find another nominee. we know it may not happen but we're going to try. could it be done? >> it could be done as a matter of the rules. there's a simple and elegant resumes change you can make which would be to require your nominee to win a super majority of the delegates on the first ballot. and then majority on subsequent ones. that's the simple, elegant rules change. the political will to do that is an entirely different matter. >> tom cole, do you have the political will to try again? >> i certainly woont do -- it might be legal under the rules. i think changing the rules in the middle of the game is an un-american thing itself to do. any kind of gimmick like that is the wrong way to go. even if it's again appropriate

under the rules. it's never going to be looked on as legitimate or fair play. and it'll look like washington insiders are trying to trump the opportunities that never were. trying to overrule the will of republican primary voters. >> you're shaking your head. i mean, who is being more loyal to the party right now? the folks supporting the nominee or trying to or the nominee? you could make the case that the nominee is hurting the party's future. that's what others are arguing. look at the california example i used. that is a rationale to say i'm pro republican party and that's why i want to stop. it. >> right. and those that love the party. we don't want to see our nominee making these kinds of mistakes. had is the kind of thing that will hurt us and mr. trump, please pay attention. we cannot win, win, win if, you know, you're making remarks you constantly have to walk back. this is a crucial moment for the

party. we've never faced something like this. we have a candidate that is not an experienced politician who was voted for by a lot of folks who are not republicans in open primaries. and we have -- but we have this process. if he's our nominee he has got to bring people together. it's about addition at this point. not sub strax traction. >> yeah. at the end of the day when he's standing on the podium and the balloons are dropping. he'll be a candidate who says and does racist things. who says and does sexist things and offensive things. and republicans are going to have to gather around and put a big happy face on that. that's not going to be an easy thing. >> we have to pressure him. that's the only way this is going to work. we have to be like the surrounding elements of a nuclear process. we have to keep pounding it. >> i think you need to approach this from the frame of reference of the delegates in the

convention hall. tom cole says is absolutely right. it's not going to happen and it will look like insiders. 76% of the delegates are chosen by state and local parties. not with direct input from the nominee. and that's why if you're trying to lawyer this for the presumptive nominee, you're worried about the convention getting its own mind set. >> tom cole, what can you do legislatively? i'll be honest, this is a question i feel like is going to become more to the forefront. does trump now owe the public more of an explanation of how he's going to divest himself of his properties of his brand? how do we know he's not going to use the presidency to promote his brand? how do we know he's not going to use it to mote his businesses. does he owe us more of a way of showing this considering how he used this private civil suit?

>> in my view, he does. it's not unusual for people in private business to run for public office. i wish we had more. when you do that, you have to stay pretty une qvc icalquivoca. do you take yourself out of a blind trust and take yourself out of the day-to-day operation. if you're president of the united states with, you need to president of the united states. and your personal affairs are secondary to what is important to the people. i think taking those steps early would be good. i suggest there's two things in front of us that mr. trump needs to focus on. the two most important things between that nomination and what person will he pick for vice president? that will define him more than this incident. and second, the convention itself. he's in control of the show, so to speak. the logistics along the rnc and

the kind of convention that inspires people. >> we could go on longer. but i think we can agree the five week head start that donald trump got he blew it. and now the question is, the democratic disunity is a story that republicans thought they were going to be able to take advantage of and look what we're talking about tonight. all right. i'll stay there. we'll have more on trump's internal campaign troubles all throughout our special coverage. up next it's not about clinton versus sanders. we'll tell you about the five big down ballot races to watch. other states holding elections for other offices. at least the ones that i care about. stay tuned.

it's the last major presidential primary day of the cycle. it's hard to believe among the most important down ballot days in 2016 as well. there's big ones in august. but tonight we've got in

california attorney general harris and sanchez both democrats. likely to emerge from california's jungle primary system. it pits only the top two vote getters. if it's two democrats what the statement it makes. montana's governor is running for another term. aims ton the latest republican businessman turned governor. in iowa democrats pick their challenger to six term incumbent senator chuck grassley. patty judge was the candidate democrats recruited in the merrick garland days. but right now state senator rob hog has an opportunity to upset her. we'll see what happens. a winner will likely try to make it a race and referendum on the entire supreme court confirmation process. also in iowa, steve king has a challenge from state senator rick bertrand. king is getting hit over his

national political profile and backing anti-ethanol candidate ted cruz. bertrand got the backing of the dm des moines register. and one incumbent member of congress will lose a primary. the redrawn districts in north carolina ended up pitting the two against each other. donald trump recorded a row bow call for elmers this weekend. the races could have a big impact on november and also tell us about what the electorate could look like going into 2016. stick withst msnbc for updates up-and-down the ballot. i promise i'll at least make sure we get the down ballot races in. up next diving into the historic significance of hillary clinton clenching the nomination. but first, here is hampton pierce with the cnbc market rally. stocks ending the day mixed with little change. the dow adding about 18 moupoin. the s&p up two and the nasdaq

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hillary clinton, of course within is going to be making history as the first woman to clench a major political party nomination here in the united states. by our count just 84 women have

held the title of president or prime minister positions around the globe. the first ever woman elected president was in iceland in 1980. take a look at history in the u.s. politics. the first state to grant women voting rights wyoming. they remain the only state to do so for nearly three decades. by 1916 women could vote in 11 states. janet rankin of montana became the first woman elected to the house of representatives. after a struggle, lead by leaders of the national woman suffrage association, susan b anthony and elizabeth cady stanton -- wisconsin and texas each elected the first women to serve as governors. they did so in the same day in 1924. patty carway of arkansas became

the first woman elected to the u.s. senate in 1934. sure lee became the first major party woman candidate when announced she seeked the democratic nomination for president in 1972. in 2008, of course, hillary clinton came very close delivering this now famous speech exactly eight years ago today. >> all though we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> let's get some perspective on what is an historic day that we get distracted by with donald trump sometimes. well, all the time this election season. i want to bring in doris kerns goodwin, and former representative pat schroeder. the first woman elected to congress from colorado and became close to running for president herself.

welcome to the program. tell me your feelings today and what it means to you to see the democratic party nominee be the party that nominates the first woman nominee in the united states. >> i am very excited. you know, when jerry was on the ticket, i thought all of the tickets would be better ballots from that day forward. was i ever wrong. but, you know, the white house has kind of been the ultimate tree house in america with the giant "no girls allowed" on it. this is as close as we've gotten to be able to take that sign down. hillary is so well qualified and i am very, very excited today to see this happen. >> doris, you know, it took being the sfopouse of a former president to break the glass ceiling or should have been broken without it? >> it's incredible to real after 200 years of the republic, 100 years of people being able to vote who are women that it's

taken this long for this to happen. and i think the problem is just been that women haven't been in the upper echelon of leadership positions as governors, mayor, senators, et. cetera. what it took is the spouse of a president and then a person who became senator and then a person who became secretary of state and then a person who had as many qualifications as many men. but it is a historic moment when you think of how long. other countries had so many women before us. we're supposed to be the beacon of hope to the world of large. it's about time it happened. >> pat schroeder you brought up a good point. i'm with you, after '84 i certainly thought, well, you know, after clinton/gore. i thought there's no way the democrats won't have a gender balanced ticket in 2000. no way it won't happen in 2004. no way it wouldn't happen in 2008. it's been surprising that it's taken so long. >> i agree with you, chuck. i knew i liked you!

it's been such a long pull. and as doris points out, we're joining the world really late. we think we're leaders, but i've never figured out exactly why we've been so late. except maybe we didn't have queens, maybe we didn't see women in those kind of leadership positions and you take many countries and the strongest kings ended up being queens. look at the u.k. >> it's funny you bring that up. the most influential leader around the world after the president of the united states, doris, is angela merkel. perhaps the single most important personal ally of the president's now for better or worse. considering that she is by herself trying to keep europe from cracking up. what is your explanation? answer pat voed schroeder's question. >> in part a lot of other countries where a party or parliamentary system works it easier for a woman to work their way up. in america you need to have the

show of ambition. especially since the primary system and somehow people think that ambition, which is a great thing, ambition is the striving for success without which success is not possible. it's been seen as aggressiveness. women are outnumbering men in colleges, advanced degrees, law school. there's going to be a whole group of people coming forward and women vote more than men. you got to believe this is the beginning of a long-term trend. i hope what we saw when it took so long after that is not going to be the case now. >> pat, it seems like in some ways, you know, one of the most dramatic divides now in this electorate. college-educated women for clinton versus non-college educated men for trump. it's the starkest divide. i hear that the clinton campaign is worried about the gender gap not as far as winning or losing the election. but they're worried about it as

far as governing is concerned. what would you advise her to sort of help close that perception gap? you may not be able to close the voting gap but the governing gap that she'll need going forward if she is elected president >>well, we really have to get used to seeing a woman in power. and for some reason, many women get very nervous about that. will she be strong enough? will she be everything? i look at hillary and i think she reminds me of winston churchill, which you may think is crazy, but i remember someone asking winston churchill why he didn't write a biography. he said i didn't need to because there's a poet who wrote about my whole life. when i think of it, that poem fits hillary so well. she kept her head through incredible crises. and i'm hoping as women begin to

see this a lot of criticism will fade away and understand she's really a steady hand and she has a great mind. >> doris, what do you think of the prime minister of canada said my cabinet is going to be 50/50 men to women. period. is that something that president hillary clinton ought to make? there's a symbolic statement that she can make not just by being elected on her own. what should be the stamp she leaves on the presidency that gets us gender equality in politics? >> that's a good question. some of the other countries have quota. more women have been able to be involved. i can't imagine america liking quotas. if she were able to fill the top positions maybe with even more women than men it would show she realizes the symbolic import of what is happening now. symbolism does matter. and i think this difference between campaigning and governing is that if she were to become president, the confidence you get as president means the

defensiveness you have as a campaigner is lessoned. maybe that aggressiveness seen as ambition or ambition as aggressiveness is different when you're surrounded by hail to the chief or hail to the chief or whatever going to call it. >> it has a huge impact on little girls. i can tell you, not seeing a female face on that place mat has bothered my daughter. >> good for her! >> there you go. two people i couldn't think of better to have this conversation with today. thank you. i appreciate it. still ahead. how the trump campaign's internal issues could impact his november chances. stay tuned.

not this way to let me help and the night before the largest primary because the whole process to make the announcements, i was really disappointed at what the ap did. >> suppressing voters. >> this is the largest state in

the country. a lot of working class and young voters to come out. just a few hours before the process of the vote begins, i was disappointed in what ap did. >> nbc news is calling the presumptive nominee after looking at the data from the ap and confirming that they did find the votes that she surpassed the imagine number of 2383. tune in to nbc nightly news to see the full sanders interview. we'll be right back.

donald trump is dealing with a major campaign crisis over racial comments he made attacking a federal judge. he's attempting to soften his tone a bit. take a look at what he said last night compared to his previous attacks on this judge. here it is. >> i don't care if the judge is mexican or not. i'm going to do great with the mexican people because i provide job jobs. he is a hispanic, i believe. this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building wall. i'm building wall. >> i want to build a wall. >> he's a member of a club or society very strongly pro-mexican. i want to build wall. i'm going to build a recall.

>> we have a lot of time with you throughout the next nine hours. has he done anything to make this better? >> no. late today the senator from arizona said he's not our nominee. i was shocked that he said ben beginsburg is off base. he's gone down 18% among hispanics. >> if you're going to do it, it has to come from paul ryan or mitch mcconnell. the two of them standing up saying we're out. we're going to go to the convention and fight him. short of that, you can't stop it. >> it would require the speaker, the leader and a bunch of candidates to advise the

committee. when you look at the new polling that's floating around, it's catastrophic. the house republican majority is in danger. when you lose by that kind of margin, you take everybody with you. >> the california pete lesson, is it real? >> i was against prop 187, governor wilson is great man. i met my wife at a fund-raiser 33 years ago. i love pete, but i didn't like 187 for the reasons that happened. >> appreciate it. we have a lot more to come. i'll be right back.

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x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. if you look carefully behind me, you know we're getting started. the big night on msnbc continues. first polling is in two hours. brian williams, rachel maddow and chris matthews pick it up now. tonight, with the primary's season dramatic conclusion in sight. >> we're in the brink of a historic unprecedent moment. >> hillantry is ready to do battle. >> it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. >> anything obama wants, she's going forward with. you know why, she doesn't want to go to jail.

>> bernie sanders will not back down. i say to the super delegates, if you want to defeat donald trump, we are the campaign to do that. >> donald trump is on the attack. i have a judge who is hater of donald trump. he's not doing the right thing. >> feeling the heat from his own party. >> i'm not going to defend these kinds of comments because they're indefensible. >> this is msnbc special coverage of primary night. >> good evening once again from new york on this historic primary election night. i'm brian williams here with graining rachel maddow. we'll get to that in a moment. the democrats have their presumptive nominee. if you were watching this space last night. hillary clinton clenched the required delegates making history as the first woman to be the nominee for president of major political party. her campaign hoping to go out on top tonight winning the final two super -- you know what i mean. the big super tuesday election of the primary season.

while tonight's final out come may be a foregone conclusion, what's happening inside the democratic and republican parties is anything but. it's creating a whole lot of suspense and excitement. what will bernie sanders do now? what will he say? we'll hear from him in an exclusive interview with nbc news. some republicans are shunning their nominee. as you may have heard, donald trump facing more criticism just today following his comments about that federal judge. tonight trump is defending his own comments. voting is under way. lest we forget in six states across this country. new jersey here in the east. 126 democrat pledge delegates up for grabs. polls close in two hours, 8:00 eastern time. california where results will be late. chris matthews is there for us tonight on the iconic santa

monica pier. steve has taken up his position at the iconic big board tracking the vote. our political team, the very best in the business, we hope you'll agree, is spread out across the country. all of them have been on campaigns, run campaigns or covered campaigns over the years. rachel, here we are again. it's going to be an exciting -- look at you. look at you. >> there are some things at my jobs, which makes me feel like i can't ever get fired from this job. i can't ever leave this line of work because there's nothing else i can do other than this work. nights like this. in the big picture, we've got this historic achievement. we have a major party for the first time nominating a woman to be president. in the big picture, we sort of know what happens here on out. hillary clinton versus donald

trump as of tonight, go. in the smaller picture, this is the time in the primary process, it's never the same thing twice. we never know exactly how it's going to go. in 2008, the last night of the primaries was june 3rd. it was montana and south dakota. obama won montana. clinton won south dakota. barack obama on the last night of the primaries in 2008, clenched and he did the same way hillary clinton did. a combination of the pledge delegates and super delegates saying they would vote for him. that happened on june 3rd. two days later on june 5th, a low profile independent senator named bernie sanders said now that the democratic race is over and it's chosen their nominee, i give my endorsement to barack obama. i'm looking forward to campaigning for him. he did that before hillary clinton got out of the race. he did that when barack obama had not just clinched with pledge delegates but in the same way that hillary clinton has clinched now.

bernie sanders thought that was sufficient to end a democratic primary in 2008, the way he himself was looking at that race. now he's decided that's not fair and square way to end a democratic race. he's given no indication he's getting out. in the big picture, long term, we know what happens. in terms of what happens next and how this ends on the democratic side, it's anybody's guess. it's really dramatic and really, really important for democratic politics. >> chris matthews is out in the golden state tonight on the golden beautiful pier in santa monica. what are your thoughts this evening? >> reporter: there's no humidity out here. there may be some humility. we'll see tonight. let's talk about emotions. imagine being bernie sanders. it's who he is now that will matter the next couple of weeks. bernie sanders at the age of almost 57 has been able to rouse up something close to a political revolution in this country.

young people that have never been involved, never signed up as democrats or anything, he's gotten them out there in crowds we've never seen before. enormous crowds on the democratic side, the left side. he's created that, a political revolution based on concerns about citizens united and billionaires running our system through citizens united and high cost of college and all kinds of things. the high cost of medical care. he's gotten them galvanized. imagine what it will be like for him. imagine him walking away from that how hard it's going to be to walk away from the crowd and the cheers and the love that those young people feel for him. i don't think it's going to be easy. my hunch is he's going to try to fight. a pull back. a recognize he doesn't have the numbers at some point next week after the d.c. primary. some time after that he will begin to say maybe we can have

some victories. maybe we can get rid of super delegates. maybe i can get a commitment from the democratic platform on issues like citizens united that i care about. maybe i can get some concessions. maybe i can walk away and go through my crowd of millions of young people and say we have won. we're a movement that will never die. he will not turn over his millions of supporters to the democratic party. he will not turn over his voter list, his contributor list of $27 a person. he's going to -- i believe, try to find some way to keep them together, to keep the movement going under him and throw that power behind hillary clinton at the right moment in next several weeks. i don't think he wants to disband what he believes is a political revolution. revolutions when the leader surrenders, it's really a horror show. i think he's going to try to keep his movement together on behalf, ultimately of hillary clinton beating donald trump.

>> chris, i agree. even though when flying in this country west to east, you have the wind at your back. i think first bernie sanders has a long flight home from california to vermont. in these few day, to your first point, we get to see who he is. it's a confusing state for the democratic party right now. chris, we'll come back early and often. let's go to the brooklyn navy yard. kristen welker is covering there. at the risk of tmi, there i was watching the hockey game last night and there's a crawl at the bottom of the screen that nbc news has joined the associated press in finding hillary clinton the presumptive nominee. i switched over as all good citizens were and saw the news break on rachel's watch. it was an exciting night last night. neither campaign wanted it to happen last night because of events like the one you're about to cover. >> reporter: that's the extraordinary thing about last

night. you're absolutely right. neither campaign wanted it to happen from the perspective of bernie sanders. he said it was a rush to judgment. from the perspective of hillary clinton, she wanted her big night to be tonight. she's going to be surrounded by her family, including her daughter, husband and son-in-law as well as major bill de blasio. she wanted this to be her moment. we heard a reaction. it was hastily written. if she does clench the majority of pledge delegates, this will be a victory speech. she's going to start the very difficult process of moving toward party unity, and she will mark the historic significance of this moment.

the fact that she is becoming the first woman to win her party's nomination. i think there's going to be a lot in this speech. i think it's going to be emotional. i've been talking to come of soe leaders of the women's organizations. they say they are preparing for tears of joy. they also stress there's a will the of work ahead in terms of taking on donald trump. they are supporting secretary clinton not because she's a woman but because of the issues she's fighting if that they also care about. >> history making moment to be sure. and a political comeback story to be sure. we'll be checking back with you at the brooklyn navy yard. chris jansen out in santa monica covering the bernie sanders effort. >> reporter: hey, brian. i think we'll see a new phase in this campaign whatever happens tonight. tomorrow you talked about the long plane ride across country. there's going to be some intense discussions about where to go from here. bernie sanders has said all along, i'm not going to make

decisions based on theoreticals. tonight he gets hard evidence. it's here in california. if he wins here, then he will have swept the west coast that includes washington and oregon. that gives him a different trajecto trajectory. a different argument to make as he moves forward with his stated plan to talk to super delegates to turn those folks who committed early to hillary clinton. here is what he told lester holt just a short time ago about the fight or potential fight for super delegates. >> super delegates have a very important decision to make, which you should know, and i'm sure you though. some 400 super delegates came on board clinton's campaign before any other candidate was out there eight months before the first ballot was cast. i believe if they are honest with themselves and look at all the national polling, all the the state polling, the nature of our organization, they will concludes if we want to beat

donald trump and it's imperative that we defeat donald trump that bernie sanders is the strongest candidate. >> reporter: the indication is they haven't had success with that. tonight is very important. not only california but the campaign thinks they have a good chance in north and south side second degr south dakota. they're ideal out come is they win four states. that's something they have never done before. he's successful as to opposed to a single state. if he does not have a great night tonight, obviously, the conversation on that plane, senior officials tell me, it will be very different. it will be what we heard from chris matthews. what do you do with the movement? what do you do with nine million people who have supported you? what do you do with 230,000 people to see you in person.

he will be flying with a number of his senior staff who don't usually travel with him. everyone says it will be bernie sanders decision and don't expect it to come quickly. they say he wants to let the folks in washington, d.c. vote first. that would mean not until next tuesday, brian. >> all right. thanks. the interview airing tonight on nbc "nightly news." after that we will air it in its entirety tonight. >> any time a race gets called while there's still multiple ca candidates, it's bad news. what's interesting is they're not just disappointed in the news, they are rejecting it.

in order to walk us through some of that, we have our friend steve looking at the numbers. >> take a look at why we're calling hillary the presumptive nominee and why bernie says we shouldn't do that. pledge delegates, you win them in primaries and caucuses. they automatically get to be delegates at the convention. what happened in the last 24 hours is this. a couple extra delegates were counted from puerto rico. it took a long time to count it up. hillary clinton got a few more in this pledged kol clucolumn. a few more super delegates said i support hillary clinton. i will vote for her at the democratic national convention. when you added in the new total of pledged and super, it was just enough to put hillary clinton, 2385, you see there. magic number, 2383. it was just enough to put her over and that is why we call her the presumptive nominee.

his point is, there's a big difference between these pledge delegates and the super delegates. this is her pledge total. what sanders is saying is these super delegates are not locked in. the pledge delegates have to go to the convention. they have to vote for the candidate they are pledged to. no exceptions. the super delegates are thrfree agents. they could say they are for clinton but they could change their mind. what sanders is saying, if you don't have 2383 from this column where it's etched in stone, you don't have a guaranteed convention victory. i can spend the summer trying to win these super delegates over. theoretically, he has a point. it's a practical standpoint. how do you convince the super delegates to change sides. this is the right thing to do. she will have a majority here. he will not overcome tonight.

that's not going to happen. he will not be able to say i won more popular votes. she's several million ahead of him. we can't put a gun to their head and say the will of the people is on my side. the one thing he can say is ele electability. he can say you're with her now, she won the most votes but there's polls that say i'm more competitive with trump than she is. he can try that. we have been in this situation before. almost identical. 1984 was the first year they had super delegates. gary heart finished the primary season and declared the presumptive nominee. hart spent the summer making the same argument. he told the super delegates i'm more electable. he flipped grand total of zero of them. >> wow. steve, can i ask you about one of the metrics which is the majority of pledge delegates. senator sanders and his wife who is a senior advisor has focused

on that. by the end of this race whoever is leading in the pledge delegates, that's something you can escape from. if hillary clinton is going to get a majority of pledge delegates, she could get there tonight. >> i think it's interesting because the argument you are talking about we heard less emphasis on that. it's become essentially impossible for him to leapfrog her in this pledge delegate count. if he were going to jump ahead of her, it would require him to not just be winning all the states, he would have to win california with something like 80% of the vote. that's what it would take. short of that, she'll have the majority. >> thank you. our first break has arrived. when we come back, the

republican party in a bit of crisis these days. unrecognizable to a lot of party veterans. donald trump deals with a multiple day pr disaster. our report from the front right after this.

another tuesday. it must be new jersey next poll closing. lower right hand of your screen, 1:38 away. about the presumptive nominee of the republican party, mr. trump. it's nothing short of incredible that on this history making evening when we will hear from hillary clinton, the news cycle continues to be dominated by the presumptive nominee of the other party and not for good. hallie jackson is on capitol hill today in this continuing saga of mr. trump and the

federal judge. hallie was there when donald trump lost a big defector. >> senator mark kirk who became the first republican to unendorse donald trump telling us trump's comments on judge curiel were too racist. we caught up with senator kirk. we caught up with several other senators as the last 12 hours or so have unfolded starting with senator lindsey graham this morning who dropped a bombshell describing how he will not vote for donald trump or for hillary clinton. he will write in someone else. here is a sampling of some of the interviews we got today. watch. >> cannot support him because of what he said about the judge. that was too racist for me. >> that was the final straw for you? >> it was the big straw. >> do you hope that other members of your party doing what you're doing? >> i do. i think we should send a strong message that racism will not be

tolerated. >> i like many other voters, i'm watching and listening. i think that's what millions of voters are doing. >> how long will that assessment process last? >> i think voters will do that from now until election day. >> how about you? >> i'm giving it time and watching and assessing. >> i will write somebody in. i'm not supporting mr. trump. i'm not supporting hillary clinton. to suggest a judge can't fairly decide a case because of where his parents were born is a new low in campaign with many lows. it's un-american. i'll have no part of it. >> reporter: what has been remarkable about this day, two things. number one, the speed at which this uprising, if you call it that, has unfolded so quickly after donald trump's comments on the judge and the gop leadership

still standing by trump's candidacy, if not his comments. denounced by paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. trump still has allies and plenty of support from republicans here in congress. even one of his closest supporters, senator bob corker is starting a countdown clock. he says trump has three weeks to prove he can change his tone and change direction. if he doesn't, corker says it will be problematic. sources close to the campaign saying that's up to trump and trump alone. guys. >> fascinating. okay. we're going to bring in nicole wallace and eugene robinson. bob corker saying he has three weeks to change. paul ryan saying this is racist, but i still support it. leading members are saying it's too racist. i cannot go there.

have we found a new breaking point. is there change in the future? >> you go first. >> you just collect yourself for a minute. >> i'll do some reading. >> read your own headline. >> i can read from this all night. >> donald trump is going to be 70 years old next week. i don't think anybody should hold their breath for him to change. he is who he is. the question that i ask at the end of the column to those supporting him is who are you? who do you want to be and how do you want yourself to be represented in the world? >> we know who he is. >> i think we know who he is. in fact, if he acts in a different way now, it will be donald trump, the same old donald trump acting in a different way. undoubtedly temporarily because he never manages to act presidential long. he'll go back to being donald

trump. he is donald trump. he's not anybody else. you'll have to take it or leave it. you have to make a decision. lindsey graham, that was one of the most affecting interviews i've seen in a long time. he seemed near tears. he was very emotional, very passionate. he's been in the republican party all his life. he loves the party. it's so pained him to say what he had to say. >> what happens if the rest of the republican party follows lindsey graham, follows mark kirk in unendorsing him? >> let me back up a minute. where we are tonight, there's more undecided voters among the senate republicans than there are in ohio. you now got the establishment, which we've been talking about week after week here. they've been irrelevant for this entire cycle. it's a bit of irony they have come into sharp focus. that's not what the election has

been about. it's been exposed since june 28th when he came down the escalator because he said mexicans are rapists and murders and whatever else he said. he's had the same amount of support from the base of the republican party the whole time. my prediction is his amount of support in the country will not take a significant hit because of this. we should be very specific about what we're talking about. we're talking about people who govern under the banner of republicans who have their own political skin in the game. they are the one who is have to decide who they are. they are the ones who feel that it's going to be very hard to explain not just to their con stit constituents but to their kids. i think calling someone a racist is the worst thing you can say. i don't know if he's a racist but these comments are the textbook definition. he's in big trouble with a whole

bunch of people. i don't think we can be hyperbol hyperbolic. in the country, he's probably okay. >> the question of skin in the game is relevant from what happens between now and the convention. >> or at the convention. who's going to go? >> all these officials are saying i want to have a future in politics and going with him, what does it do to my future? >> chris matthews in our santa monica bureau. chris. >> reporter: the strange thing about this case with the concern about ethnic prejudice and some assumptions based on surnames. there's this weird part where trump assumes this judge is like him. this judge would make this personal. he didn't like the way trump's been talking about people who come here from mexico across the southern border and the judge will have the same visceral attitude toward donald trump that donald trump would have in

case where he might find himself on a bench somewhere. i know that republicans hate identity politics. they hate everybody talking whether lgbt or racial or ethnic group. they hate people grouping that way or grouped that way politically. here is trump saying i know this judge. you know how i know him, i know him from his surname. he's got a spanish surname, ergo, he's got a personality that's anger against me rather than be honest in his ruling. it's very -- bottom line is to keep it simple, when you're in a hole, stop digging. this guy is still digging his hole as we speak. he's still putting out statements making himself look more and more the bad guy. the bad guy to republicans who are more conservative on these issues. they don't like being identified to a guy who think you can tell what a person is an as individual based on their identity as an ethnic group. republicans hate that. here he is doing the very thing

they say they hate. it's a terrible situation for him. i think he's going to really go down in the polls in the next couple of weeks. i think polls are an i understand -- indicator. he's going to be about eight behind ner her in a week or two. he's hurting. >> tonight, as we speak to you, 6:30 eastern time. we'll take another break. we're coming up in an hour and a half on the first poll closing of the evening in the garden state.

just under 90 minutes to go now. as you see there the first polls of the evening close will be in the great state of new jersey. tony is standing by. he's been talking to voters in little falls all day. hey, tony. >> reporter: i'm in northern new jersey outside of a tiny, tiny polling stations. one of the many that make up the great state of new jersey. with an interesting voter in light of the controversy surrounding donald trump over his comments about the judge. he's of chilean descent and is a donald trump voter. a lot of people may be

surprised. why do you like donald trump? >> because he's an honest man. he doesn't have to do favors for anybody. that's very important. >> do you think his comments about the judge of mexican descent, born in indiana, do you think they were racist? >> i don't think so. i think he just speaks his minds sometimes. he doesn't do it with the purpose of being racist. >> what's the purpose? >> he didn't like the judge. i don't think he has any other intention. >> what's it like being part of the latino community and being a trump supporter? do you feel like you're in good company or on the outside? >> i feel american. i was born in chile but i'm totally american. i think the best for this country is big changes especially in economy. >> some republican leaders have backed off of donald trump in recent days because of his

racist comments about the mexican judge. you don't see it? >> no, i don't see that. i don't see that. i mean, there are worse things that other people or other candidates have done. i don't think that will affect the country. >> thank you very much, monica. we knew they existed from the polls and we know they exist in real life. there are latino voters for donald trump. they like the policies. back to you. >> thank you. >> we're going to go do jacob who is in los angeles in east l.a. the biggest city in california. bigger than three of the other states that are voting in terms of their population. east l.a., great neighborhood, very latino neighborhood. jacob. >> reporter: over six million eligible voters in the county of los angeles. the city second biggest in the nation behind new york. i'm here with one of the

eligible voters in city of los angeles here in east l.a. where both of the candidates came to rally, particularly, latino support. you said you were a bernie sanders supporter. kr you decided to come out for bernie today even though hillary had clenched it yesterday. how come? >> it's not the end until everyone has voted. >> are you here because it's more of statement vote? >> i think he still has a chance. in my heart he has a chance. >> what do you mean by that? is it a contested convention in philadelphia or would you vote for hillary clinton if it came down to that? >> i'm looking for a contested convention but if i had to vote for hillary, i would rather her h than trump. >> was turn out as high as you expected it to be because some people were worried that turn out would be depressed and giving bernie sanders a shot at theic victory here in california? >> so far it's not that many

people, as many as i hope but it's not 4:00 yet. most people come out. i think clinton still has a good chance because i've seen a lot of supporter for her, unfortunately. >> thank you very much. nice to talk to you. there are four hours left until the polls close here in california. we thought those three hours between the polls closing in new jersey and the polls closing in california would be the only ones with a presumptive democratic nominee. >> another break for us. when we come back, we'll look at support for bernie sanders especially when greeted with the news last night about hillary clinton.

welcome back. the last big tuesday in a series of big tuesdays. a season of them. tonight we'll have the results

from the first of the polls to close in new jersey just over an hour from now. it's a little bit inside the media beltway, but we woke up a few weeks back one morning, suddenly donald trump was the presumptive nominee. remember that? associated press had done that based on their own calculations. last night on your shift, the associated press did the same thing. quickly followed by nbc news. it cost a lot of hubbub and remains hubbub. >> it remains hubbubalicious. they did that by calling super delegates and getting them to commit. the sanders campaign decide ed that's a problematic way to be declared. their contesting it. than doesn't change the math.

they are real people. the question is how will the sanders campaign move forward. joining us now is senator sanders lone senate supporter. it's great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> have you spoken with senator sanders since this call by the ap that senator clinton is the nominee? >> no. no, i haven't. the super delegates haven't cast their vote yet. the question is will one of the candidates obtain a majority of the pledge delegates and a majority of the national vote. to do that, hillary clinton has to get 30% of the vote tonight. it is an uphill climb for bernie sanders, but he's still main th fight to win the pledge delegates. >> if she does get the majority of the pledge delegates as of tonight's contest, is the contest won? is that the end of the race? >> as far as i'm concerned when

the candidate has the majority of the pledge delegates and the votes, that person is our nominee. we'll start the process of trying to bring everyone together. there's a lot at stake for our nation and it's going to take, if clinton does win the nomination, then it's going to take both sides coming together in order to win in november. the passion and vision of working jobs in america in cash and politics and getting off of fossil fuels and the need to move quickly to make college affordable. these things resonate because these are the real problems that we face. we need to have a unified party that fully embraces an ambitious strategy to take them on. >> what you said about the pledge delegates being a clear and definded end to the process, whoever gets the majority of delegate, you're speaking on that issue with real clarity and not messing around about it. you're being very direct.

if you tell us if that's the position of the sanders campaign or is that your position, personally, as somebody who happens to have endorsed him. >> that's my position. i think there's a corollary to the fact if we set the super delegates aside as an improper extra exercise of a hierarchy. i don't think you can reverse the pledged delegates with super delegates and have it feel like anything that happened was appropriate. what will happen is if clinton reaches those goals tonight, then bernie sanders will be heading to vermont and be pondering the situation and look at it and deciding what happens next. tonight, the goal is to win 70% of the delegates up for a vote tonight. that's why bernie sanders has been campaigning so hard and his

ideas are moving the hearts and minds and passions of millions of americans. >> my colleague chris matthew s in santa monica. he wants to jump in here. go leaahead. >> you're a real loyalist. you have proven your loyalty. what do you think senator sanders owes to his millions, nine million, an awesome number of people that have come out to cheer him. what does he owe them if it doesn't go the right way for them? >> you bet. we have to take it back. that means donald trump can never be in the oval office. he proceeded to run a school that by all evidence, was more about the art of the steal than the art of the deal.

he's never woken up a single day in his life and thought about working americans. moving the big issue forward is really what the sanders movement is all about. i think he's going to be faithful to that effort. >> if hillary clinton does get the majority of pledge delegates, your view is clear that means the primary is over. she would have won fair and square. senator sanders has not been anywhere near as clear about that. if he decides what he would like to do is stay in the race. push the contested nature of this primary through to the convention and try to persuade them they ought to switch. i know you disagree with that and you wouldn't pursue that but

will you act and call on him not do that, to get out of race and end it peacefully if the two of you have a disagreement there? >> senator sanders will make his own mind about how go forward. i would encourage him to do everything he can to make the convention about conversation about the ideas he's put forward. he's been moving the party in a progressive direction because these issues, we are way off track. he's been making that point in such a clear fashion. saying just little changes aren't enough. let's reach for big changes that will put working people back at the table, if you will. make the convention a chance to really explore those ideas. maybe there will be a series of concepts he'll want to see votes on. maybe it's getting rid of super delegates. maybe it's proceeding to have a vote on the platform for $15 an

hour. maybe it will be getting rid of fracking in america. maybe lit be keeping the ground so we stop extracting our citizen own fossil fuels. whatever vision he has to take the ideas he's presented, let's make the convention a conferring about those, but a conversation that brings us together as a party with our nominee behind those ideas. >> senator jeff, endorsers of senator sanders in the senate and the only one in the senate who has done that who is not named bernie sanders. i appreciate your time. thank, sir. >> you're welcome. >> at this critical moment for both parties, democrats and republican, another break for us. we're back with our live continuing coverage right after this.

we're back on this primary night that comes at such a critical time for both parties and this man, donald trump, who's in the middle of a multi-day, something of a pr disaster. it depends on the prism of which you view it. earlier today rumors circulated that perhaps a clarified statement would be coming from mr. trump who will talk to the media tonight. it cams out today. i do not feel that one's heritage makes them incapable of being impartial, but based on the rulings that i have received

in the trump university civil case, i feel justified in questioning whether i'm receiving fair trial. this all goes back to donald trump taking on a federal judge on his heritage. let's go to steve schimdt. this first sentence, i do not feel that one's heritage makes them feel incapable of being impartial. that's exactly what he said a few days back. what do you think? >> it's not an apology. he's not backing down from the statements he made the other day. to some degree this is the straw that broke the camel's back with a lot of republicans. you saw u.s. senators today widely condemning him. you see, across the breadth and depth of the republican party, the leadership trying to finesse

their support of donald trump but in the process of the presidential campaign, he's failed utterly to unify the party. he's failed utterly to come up with a message taking the fight to the democrats. he's on defense. we're talking about a civil litigation, fraud case in trump university at the center of the campaign. i think a lot of republicans are looking with great trepidation at this episode. shows a lack of agility on the campaign's part. it's terrifying. people are deeply worried about losing the united states senate and one of the largest house majorities fade away to ten seats and under. >> what about the effect to nicole's point on donald trump's base. >> donald trump's base may not want him to apologize.

may not want donald trump to back down. they may be invigorated by it, by the fighting with the media. that base is not large enough to elect him president of the united states. it's not large enough to save republicans in the senate and the congress. this campaign fundamentally can't be about these issues and have it result in anything other than a electoral dis aaster for republicans in the fall. >> there's nothing quite so scary than a republican member of congress in a tough race because of what may happen. another break for us. we're back at the top of the hour. one hour remaining until the first results of the evening.

sometimes we should just say look at these beautiful graphics. they are indeed beautiful. >> we dwot ygot you postcards. >> that means we're under an hour until the first results tonight in new jersey.

we were just lamenting the fact we're in this endless shift. time fritters. >> there's a lot to cover in terms of the news. we'll get first poll closing in less than an hour, and we'll have that data. there's an open question in terms of poll closings in terms of whether or not this call by the ap and nbc news last night of the democratic race, whether that did suppress the vote or more on one side or the other. hillary clinton had a 20-plus point lead heading into this new jersey contest. there's numerical stuff going on. there's also the big drama of how this race will end. even setting aside what's going on in the republican party with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, this is a dramatic moment where i'm not sure there is one right thing to do as defined from any one particular perspective. the last poll of california voters found a majority of people in california said they will vote for bernie sanders, a majority of them are voting for them even though they did not

think he could win. they were voting for him in order to help influence the direction of the democratic party. if you're hillary clinton, what do you do with that? put away this primary and honor what he's done in terms of this fight and his nine million votes and the desire of his supporters that the party should be more like him. the party should be more like the vision he's putting out there. how do you get there and end this primary not just as the victor bowerbird somebody made stronger by this contest and not weaker? i love politics. this is all i think about this time of year. there isn't one right away. i have no idea how the clinton campaign will handle it. >> if there were rosetta stone,

you would think a guy like chris matthews would have picked up on it years ago. beautiful night in -- look at that, in santa monica, california. >> she has to talk to bernie or bust people. people that don't want to give in. she has to talk to her own people. she's on the verge of -- right now it's reasonable to assume she could win a substantial victory. her strong performance and getting the act together. the other guy, trump having the worst week of his campaign.

how does she do it? i think she has to decide who she is. the party has moved to the left. that's fact. she has to address the people who know that. they want to do something that's stronger toward universal health coverage. i think that's an easy one. it's a bit -- it's difficult one.

i think if she just agrees with everything bernie says, it will look like a rollover. i don't think she wants to do that. i think bernie can give on caucuses. i think they can fix the rules the way most americans would like to see them fixed. we got the problem of the judge who has been nominated for the supreme court. bernie wants that guy dropped. i'm not sure hillary has taken a position. capital punishment, he's always been for capital punishment. i think those will be difficult compromises for her to make. >> chris matthews in santa monica thinking about the way this end, part of the way this ends is the math. it is contested math. senator sanders does not want the super delegates continued until they cast their votes on july 25th in philadelphia. that's never been the standard

by which super delegates have been counted in the past when previous networks, when in previous years networks have declared that somebody has clenched the nomination. behind these numbers, there's the story about how hillary clinton got there. a big part of that story is how dominate she was in the south. for a more complete look how she did this, let's go back. >> let's try to put some numbers on how she did this and what it looks like. these are the clinton states. these are the sanders states so far. if you use 2008, when hillary clinton came up just short as the starting point, what are the big differences. you see some obvious differences. she lost to iowa. she won new hampshire in 2008. she lost it this time. there's some interesting small things you'd see on the map. the gold coast, the very affluent part of connecticut, she did very well here,

surprisingly well. the big story why she did so well, it's the south. that's wall to wall clinton dark blue there. in 2008, this was a wipe out loss for her. a wipe out win and why. this has to do with the black vote. eight years ago, hillary clinton lost the black vote by nearly 70 points to barack obama. no surprise in the way, barack obama becomes the first black president. hillary clinton couldn't even crack 20%. you remember the way that campaign went. there was talk about that campaign that the clinton's had permanently ruptured their relationship with black voters. they would not be able to turn to them. the black vote in 2016 is basically a complete reversal. nearly 80% for hillary clinton. that translated into not just some big wins on paper in south carolina in georgia, in florida across the south. huge delegate halls. the reason she's the presumptive nominee is not just she won

those state, it's that she crushed bernie sanders when it came to delegates. that's why he's been unable to play catch up. you add up the soupers and pledged, about an 800 delegate lead. it's sat around 300. that has to do with the south and the big margins she put up there. >> steve, thanks. across our news room is our political director. chuck todd. on your broadcast, "meet the press," i heard you promising your viewers we'll stay on top of some of the down ballot races tonight. we're going to keep you to that. >> fair enough. >> the hour is early. if you were the communications director for hillary clinton, what would be in that speemp tonight -- speech tonight in the brooklyn

navy yard? >> focus on breaking the glass ceiling. it's a unifying message for the democratic party. i don't think tonight is the night to repurpose her speech from last week against drouncon trump. we know she knows how the make the negative case. to make her case. to command all the networks right now and to make the positive case. a pet peeve of mine i keep hearing from folks about the super delegates that they haven't cast a vote yet, neither

have the pledge delegates. they are pledged to do that. super delegates pledge to do that. nobody has cast a vote. i really think it's very flawed. there's a lot of flawed spin in this. when you say they haven't cast their vote, neither have the pledges. >> let me ask you to respond to the sanders criticism, the sanders supporters that in their statement last night, they said this is networks rushing to judgment. this was an inappropriate call. taking their concern seriously, taking their objection substantively, how do you respond to that? >> i'm conflicted about monday night decision that was not connected to vote. had it happened sunday night after puerto rico and you have this. if you're going to do it on monday night, i could make the case you could have done it six weeks ago. we knew on april 26th here,

rachel, we had the conversation. when following the clinton success in new york on the 19th. on the 26th when she won four of five. when he couldn't win places like connecticut and pennsylvania. it was clear then. if we were treating the delegate process here like a primary, like we would a single individual primary, we'd say there's more than -- it would take a 1 in 500 chance for sanders to win the nomination. i would cake the call we could have called it six weeks ago. you're getting into that window. you don't want voters to think maybe you've had an influence on whether turn out is not. erase the perception. i understand it. i'm conflicted. i think we need to be honest with viewers. we know who the democratic nominee will be. we knew six weeks ago which is why you said it on the air.

i said it. i'm torn and at the same time we also have to be honest with viewers too. >> fair question. good explanation. >> i think you're right that being honest and as transparent about what's going on is the only way to put people's doubts about this to rest. some doubts will never go away about this. it's real process that you're allowed to know how it works. that's a peek behind the curtain. >> show our math on television. chuck, don't go anywhere. i want to scoot up to katie in new york. one of the many donald trump properties. >> we're talking to two sources that are close to the campaign. they acknowledge that the campaign knows it has a problem. right now the biggest problem that they have more than anything else is their own

candidate, getting him to fall in line. they're allteling h all telling off this judge curiel attack. there's people i've spoken with acknowledge it's really not him backtracking. this is not him apologizing. this just him continuing to spin. i'm asking what is next. what do you do now? one source says there's nothing you can do. maybe there's a priest who can pray. >> wow. glad to hear things are going well inside the trump campaign. >> right to last rites. chuck todd, what do you may of that? >> this is a precarious period here for trump. this is the most -- they messed

up the five weeks. he had a five-week head start and he blew it. now he's got five weeks to save his nomination. i think it's not hyperbole to say the nomination is still on the line for him. i don't know. if that statement came out that he did today was the result -- was the best possible result reince priebus could get out of trump, i think a lot of republican party is having heartburn right now. if that's the statement, which appears to be the result of the chairman of the republican party trying to get him to tone it down. if that was toned down, it's still -- we're still in a 911 situation for the gop. >> i just looked at nicole wallace. let's string this out. if chuck is right and this is five weeks to save his nomination, what does that mean? >> well, listen, there's plenty of reason for the hysteria he's articulating.

a bit of history has transpired. when trump stumbles, as he did in wisconsin, he's capable of adjusting in a temporary manner. what happens when he's on his knee, politically speaking. i'm not using it the way trump used it once. he calls in people who speak to the better instincts that he has. he widened the circle a smidge. people who have some political experience. chris christie publicly defended him against lindsey graham's passionate and emotional attack. to answer your question, this statement was the best they could get out of him. his instinct is to protect his business. it's impossible for political people to understand this. in trump's mind, the two paths aren't winning or losing in running for the new york senate. the two paths are moving to washington or going back to being donald trump. in his own mind, he's more

ambivalent than any of us could get about which path his life takes. >> why is he so head up about this trump university case? it's a relatively small -- >> no, no, no. >> the university is gone. >> have you seen the name of the university? >> for a guy who gets his back of about the size of his hands, this is the size of his empire. this is his whole thing. you could call him a moron when it comes to foreign policy, and i don't think he would tweet back at you. i think i've tested back. >> hillary clinton tested that. no response. >> this is something obsessional about this. >> absolutely. >> on trump steaks and trump water, he did. >> he tracked them out. >> i do think this raises a larger issue for him. we have joked, brian, i heard you joke that the entire trump press corp will get a tour of every trump property before

november. now this is a serious question. he's using his bully pulpit to hurt a judge. what will do you as president to make people comfortable that you're not going to use your office to benefit your businesses. you're not going to use your office to save your businesses. this is now, to me, raising up a larger issue that i think always was there but now is something he has to deal with head on. >> he is using his nomination to benefit them already. totally fair point. >> we have to scoot to a break. the only thing missing from this conversation is the pride of louisiana, james carville. he's joining this conversation on the other side.

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cracks in it. >> always called the speech of her political career. that is until this last speech on foreign policy, which a lot of analysts gave the nod to. eight years ago tonight, hillary rodham clinton. we were thinking about one of the architects of the original clinton effort. a guy who had the great good fortune of being born and raised in louisiana. a guy whose voice has never been too far from the national political conversation. james carville, what do you -- take them on one at a time. what do you make of the democrats and the republicans as of tonight? >> as of tonight, as democrat, our party was the first to nominate and elect a roman catholic. first to nominate a woman and first to elect a woman as president of the united states. as a democrat and other democrats watching this have to

feel a certain sense of pride. on the other side, i honestly believe this. i think there's some chance that trump will not be the nominee. what we see and hear is a real unraveling. the news that came in that people not endorsing him and pulling back and everything else. the pressure on him will be enormous. >> it's rachel. >> hi. >> nice to have you here tonight. i've been thinking, what if a lot of other republicans follow mark kirk's lead and unendorse him. eventually, he does continues to do things egregious enough that the republican party has to basically unendorse him. paul ryan unendorses him. if the rnc, eventually, down the road, extract themselves from the donald trump for president effort, can you see that happening and then what will

happen in. >> i don't know. it suspect they will have to nominate cruz. they can pass any rule they have the power to pass. when these things in politics happen, they just don't stop. there's this buzz feed story. we know the washington post is working. i just really, really think -- from this is what we call in law ska school, a declaration against interest. i don't know what will happen in cleveland if he's not the nominee. i honestly believe, and i've been texting and talking to a lot of political people back and forth, they don't think i'm crazy. think think there's some chance it could happen like this. >> back to the democrats.

after all it's your stock and trade. what is hillary -- what should her message be now considering what the sanders campaign has done to energize this party and what do you think is the process happening within bernie sanders? it's important that she brings the party back together. she won. they have to work hard to get as many as they can in the fold. that's going to take some political skill and dexterity. i think it can happen, but it's not going to happen overnight. there's a lot of fatigue and defiance.

a lot of these things, a lot of people around him are going through right now. in politics, somebody wins and somebody loses. like senator murkly said the reconciliation starts tonight. this thing is done. it's over. it's decided. that's what it is. >> james, it's chris. chris matthews. i'm trying to figure out what do you think is happening with trump. i find trump, a week or two ago he was riding high. the polls were closed. then he blew the e-mail story. he didn't exploit it properly. he let it go. hillary clinton covered herself well with that. the judge obsession came along. then he had no reaction to hillary's strong speech on world affairs and him last week. is he like a rock star at his zenith and can't handle it. what do you think is going on with the guy? >> what people are telling me and these are not necessarily democrats. there's no such thing as the

trump campaign. i've seen ineffective campaigns and bad campaigns, but i haven't seen any nonexisting. every decision and consequence is made by trump. no one is sort of authorized to do anything. these things are, particularly now, when it's the kind of attention they are and going into the general election of complex organizations, there's a lot of things that you got to do in day. people are saying there's no such thing as the campaign. there's four advanced men and him. that's kind of it and nobody else can say or make a decision or do anything. it's catching up. everybody knows it. the democrats will be putting up spots left and right. the press will be having stories every other day about this. we know that's going to happen. it happens to every presidential campaign. they're not in any way shape or form equipped to deal with this. even the most ardent republicans will tell me the same thing.

there's no such entity as the quote, trump campaign, unquote. >> james, it's rare when you hear this studio go silent when one of our guests are talking. it's happened when you've been talking. before we lose you james, when you hear james say he's got this nagging doubt about trump going all the way as the nominee, that gets your attention. >> yeah. mark halperin said he predicted that one of the two presumptive nominees wouldn't be at their own convention. smart people do have in intuition that might be the case. i don't know that's the case with donald trump. it is true there's no large scale campaign apparatus around donald trump and not that people like me who work on campaigns matter. it does speak -- if you can't run a campaign, voters decide you can't and shouldn't run the

country. a campaign staff is not important or relevant other than what it exhibits about a candidate. in my experience, the better run campaigns were a reflection of the guy at the top. in '04, george bush ran the better campaign. in '08, president obama ran the better campaigns. it's almost true when things are difficult, as they obviously are for trump right now, you need to rely on some sort of campaign structure to keep things going. >> that comes from the top. >> every campaign hits road blocks. every campaign spirals around the drain and left for dead. trump doesn't have the infrastructure he needs to pull him out of drain. >> speaking of structure. we're going to exhibit some of our own. a quick break. we've asked james to stay with us. we'll continue this conversation on the other side.

we're back. that's the brooklyn navy yard. one of the hangar light structures out there. >> great shot. that's awesome. >> one of the former navy facilities in this country. large portion that's getting repurposed. should be a very dramatic backdrop when hillary clinton gives what is expected to be a victory speech. she's expected to do well in tonight's voting.

there's this nagging call that was made last night first by the associated press and then by this news division and this network. >> we got this very interesting sort of giblet from kristen welker. i was pressing her last night in my interview to whether we will hear a victory speech. she final ly said you'll have t wait and see. if they hit the majority of pledge delegates that's a sperveg number. they have to get 30, 31% of the pledge delegates at stake tonight. if they crossover in terms of pledge delegates majority, then we'll hear what amounts to a victory speech.

bernie sanders is saying he's going all the way to the convention. the democratic party with hillary clinton needs to make peace with bernie sanders. they need to find way to make him a hero. make him a celebrated and welcome and integral ongoing part of the democratic party. that's not something you do by pushing him aside on a night like this. the sensitivity with which this has to be handled. the drama and suspense about how she will do this, it's very real. >> i know you never think of a presidential election in a vacuum. those other things called the senate and the house. starting with the senate, think of the following races. kirk in illinois, mccain, arizona, portman, ohio. we're just getting started.

those are some nervous republicans. kirk, blue state republican today, with drew his support for donald trump. think about the house races. think about how nervous they are with being on a ticket with donald trump. that give yous a more complete picture of what we have coming up. >> it does. it was difficult and i really want to represent the interest of the people of north carolina. that's a question. they know that. mark kirk knows that. it's very uncomfortable position that they are in.

you can ski the tension on their face. i don't think the democrats will stop talk about trump any time soon. >> speculate a bit more especially if we think donald trump is up at the trump national golf course sipping on some trump water watching all this coverage. people saying he may not be the eventual nominee. do you think the party would turn to ted cruz? >> i think the majority of delegates will be tea party types. trump types. i don't know the mechanism. there's real pain in the republican party. i'm not talking about my wife, specifically but people that i see. people i talk to.

everybody knows that, chuck knows this, rachel knows this in nicole knows this. they are in deep fundamental pain and they are scared. you're looking at 160-year-old political party that someone will just crack up. that doesn't happen often. i don't know of a republican that doesn't, i get this a lot. james, what do you think we can do? i don't know. i don't have any idea. i never thought about it that much. >> it's always a pleasure. thank you very much for being part of our coverage tonight. good to see you. >> always good. >> thank you. >> you can find spider man, super man. you can find imitators of, a guy

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senator, it's great to have you with us tonight. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> you're marketing trump related hats on your blog. i want to hear the story of this, please. >> yes. i thaug it wought it was time w hat that represented donald trump accurately. on my campaign website, you can get your risky and reckless red cap. made in america with union workers unlike most of trump's stuff. we're proudly that what donald trump really represents to this country is a risky and reckless idea. >> you have some, i don't want to say glee because that sounds shawl. you have some enthusiasm about the idea, as far as i can tell that hillary clinton has not just any republican to run against but donald trump to run

against. do you feel like oh, good, that makes him easier to beat or do you think somebody that damaged will be this close to the presidency or this is happening too early and the republicans might replace him? >> all of above. there are moments i think that we had the speaker of house acknowledging their candidate for president is kind of racist but we're forhim. it's hard for me to wrap my arms around that that we're at this point. it's not good for our country on the world stage. on the other hand, i do think he is so -- he's got no policy other than i'm donald trump, and i'm great. i do think it's going to be quite a contrast between hillary clinton and donald trump, and one i think will reassure most

americans that we want someone who is strong and stable in the white house. not someone who probably started down this road thinking he was going to help up the price of putting his name on buildings. >> do you think it materially affects hillary clinton's chances against him that the democratic primary is not over yet, at least if you ask senator sanders. you have the ap saying she's clenched the number of delegates in order to clench the nomination. senator sanders still says he's going all the way and making the argument that super delegates can't be counted yet because they may be persuaded to support him. i know you support secretary clinton here. do you think the ongoing primary hurts her in the general election? >> i want to see that glass is half full rather than half empty. i think we need to show incredible respect and admiration for what bernie sanders has done.

he's really brought the focus issues that we must deal with. what he's done in terms of motivating and the passion they show, it can be a good thing for our country if we kind of pull all this together now to stop donald trump. i think bernie will take some time to think about this. if you think about what he's saying, he said all along let the voters decide, not the super delegates and now he's saying never mind. don't let the voters decide, let's let the super delegates decide. i don't think it works in terms of who he is. i think what works mump better is for him to make sure we put things in the platform that we need to have that we celebrate what he's done because it deserves celebration and move forward with a very special

candidacy that's historic in our country. >> last question for you. do you want to be hillary clinton's vice presidential running mate? >> i do not. i want to keep campaigning for her. 132 years ago bellva lockwood was the first woman to run for president. i wish my grandmother were still alive. i wish my mother was still alive. i was raised by women who said some day. i'm excited to be part of this. i think it's going to be a terrific campaign. >> thanks for being with us. it's a historic night. thanks for being here. >> senator, thank you. thank you. i just wanted to say that every time we put up this shot, the crowd has waved at themselves. there's reason to believe that they have themselves on the big screen. there you have it. brooklyn navy yard getting some air time. >> we can see you. another break for us.

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colleague. you're younger. let's start with that. i feel like howard cosell with muhammad ali, you're younger. 10, 20 years ago, the great political pundit said no woman over 65 will vote for any woman. we've had women voting since the 19th amendment. it's not just men hesitant to make this happen. with hillary clinton's presumptive nomination what's going on with women? every age group. older, middle, young. how are they reacting differently to hillary's presumptive -- i give her the edge as the next president? >> that's a very good point because women have also been outvoting men since at least the late 1960s. so women have had the opportunity. i think you've had a combination of conservative women. i've talked to women. i remember when hillary clinton was running in 2008 i ran into a woman who was a receptionist at a medical office in florida. she said, i'll never vote for a woman, women are supposed to be the helpmeets of men.

she was very religious, she felt her faith would never allow her to do that. there are people who don't like the clintons. they haven't been fans of the women on offer, fans of that particular woman. younger women -- >> do they get it, the exciting nature of this? >> no. >> how come they don't look at the history books and say, i notice these are all men. >> they notice that but what younger women have said to me is they want to base their votes on issues. i've had a lot of women my age, getting in the workforce, been in the workforce, those young women in college they dominate. they don't get out and really experience anti-woman discrimination until they've been in the workforce for a while. >> real said. it's not the real world until you get in the workplace. >> thank you, joy. thank you, chris. state of california, the biggest prize tonight. another break as we near bridging the top of the hour.

three minutes to go until we get our first results of the evening. that will be in the nation's most densely populated state, the state of new jersey. steve kornacki is standing by at his board where, full disclosure, transparency, we've got a black and white new jersey because our graphics have crashed for the moment.

>> let's give you the best high-tech we have to offer. the year 2016, ladies and gentlemen. here's no one. three-dimensional, multi-color. three different shades of gray. >> do you need a pencil, eraser? >> let's see if this works. i can write on it, so i'll tell you a couple of things. clinton versus sanders, we've had a bunch of polls in new jersey. clinton's been leading by double digits. closer to 10, closer to 20? that's the dispute? these polls. she won this state eight years ago against barack obama by 8 points. the key for hillary clinton is up here, across from new york city, you've got bergen county, this is the bedroom, suburban, densely populated bedroom community area. you've got newark, essex county. this is the biggest single democrat vote-producing county in the state. big share of african-american voters there. you've got hudson county here. this is across from new york city. large latino, large cuban population rather passaic, 35%

of the vote is going to come out of here. this is the key to hillary clinton. take a picture of this, put it in the museum, this is the best we could do for you on new jersey right now. >> that is a screaming, winking emota con. >> that's a face, i see a face. >> a sad face? >> it's like edvard munch's "the scream." >> we could do even more, i could circle trenton. i could circle clan tick city. >> a snowman. >> camden is somewhere around here. >> a now man with a gus, that's nice. >> by the way, as vote comes in i am told the board will reflect colors. won't that be exciting later on in the evening. >> we've had budget cut whils you were away, brian. >> 7:58: 25. chuck todd is across the news room. we'll talk about this on and off i'm sure. but two things emerged in the carville discussion and with nicole wallace. this notion, you hear it in political circles, donald trump

somehow doesn't want the job? donald trump somehow has his attention where it's been, on his business empire. and what james carville said, the sneaking suspicion he has that trump won't be there at the end on the stage when the balloons drop in cleveland. >> you know, i get this. i had somebody fairly high profile who has a relationship with trump who's hinted to me, at some point he could just say, boy, rnc has done everything they can to undermine me, i'm done with this campaign, i'm out, i'm not spend ambiguous own money because they're not helping me. a lot of people know trump wondering, when does he take his exit ramp? assuming it was to come. all of us who have covered him in the primaries, we've been ton assuming he'd find an exit ramp. i think the competitive streak in him is too much and i don't think he's going to do that. but what is the mood of the republican party? it's bad now. when the polls indicate that it looks like a competitive race. what if it is 8 to 10 at the end

of the month, which is not unlikely. you could have sanders people quote-unquote coming home to the democrat in the same way the republicans went home to trump. what does the republican party do if at the end of the month he's down 8 to 10? >> chuck todd, thank you. here we, 8:00 p.m., east coast, 8:00: 05. time to show you our first characterization. we promised results. what we can say is too early to call for both the democratic race and the republican race. you would be forgiven for believing the republican race is between donald trump and ted cruz. but that is the graphic we have to indicate the republican race. >> ted cruz was another republican candidate for president at one time. >> he was, remember that? >> the one thing in terms of showing our math, there is no exit poll data. in the state of new jersey.

>> this was always going to be too early to call no matter what happened in the state of new jersey because in both the republican race and in the democratic race, there's -- until there's voting, there's absolutely literally zero data on which to project anything for this evening. so you never project a result based on polling ahead of the election dayist. >> and it gets even weirder because delegates will be assigned before we know the outcome in the state. and chuck todd, that's a follow-up question. will anything about the way the parties operate, will anything about the way americans vote in the primary process or the general election, change because of what we've just been through? >> oh, i think a lot of things are going to change but i don't think it's going to change for the way people want. for instance, in the republican side, the biggest movement i've heard about in changing the rules are for closed primaries. right? and the biggest movement on the democratic side is for open primaries. what do i mean by closed and open? meaning, only -- there's a lot

more republicans, cruz supporters, that would like to see the primaries be affairs that are closed off to independents. you have to register as a republican to participate in the primary. meanwhile, it's the sanders folks pushing for a change to see more open primaries in the democratic side. so i do believe you're going to see rules changes in the both parties. but they're not going to be the same changes. one is going to say, hey, we're a republican organization and i think the natural tendency's going to be, how did trump hijack our party? well, this is how he did it. he got people that weren't republicans to come in and participate. i'm being a little cynical here on how some are thinking about it but there are some thinking that. i do think on the democratic side the movement to get rid of superdelegates is real. think that's going to get momentum. i think shutting -- you're never going to see a full shutdown of the caucus process because states aren't funding presidential primaries. but i think you're going to see massive changes in how caucuses

are conducted to allow it to be more open. maybe you do it all caucuses have to be done over multiple days, to get people multiple times to participate. i do sense that change in the democratic side. the republican side, the changes could be there but not more open. more closed. >> a follow-up question, if the parties do change sort of open and closed primaries as you were describing them there, would you expect that would have general election consequences? there's at least this apocryphal sense once people vote in a primary they're sort of committed to that party subconsciously, so if you have more independents voting in democratic primaries because they're open, does that create more democratic vote in the general election? >> you know, i'd like to see a study over time to see. it's hard to do, right? you have to find out, does that independent voter, that is what they did at that time, that they voted for mccain in 2008 in a republican primary as an independent, then they were more likely to stick with him in the general? mccain voters in 2000, did they

end up going somewhere else? that's what i would want to see. you would want to see, does that happen over time? we don't have enough studies on that front. i think you could say if you get somebody to buy your product once, you're more likely to get them to i would it a second time, right? unless they really don't like your product. that would be the business case what a marketer would say. so if you think like that, then i think you do make a case for, hey, let anybody that they want to come in because you know what, if you get them in the door once, maybe they'll want to stay. >> the only thing to say about rules changes, they're always the perfect solution to the thing that already went wrong. >> correct. >> they're always a terrible new problem ahead. >> look what the republicans did with the ron paul change. they made a change to stop ron paul in 2012. they made that change after they failed to do it. they've stopped ron paul in 2016, congratulations. >> yes, exactly. we'll call him in retirement, see how he feels about it. >> the military fights the last war with the wrong equipment.

>> that's exactly what this is. >> we should talk about the difference in venues and tone and speeches we're going to see tonight. as the sun goes down in the new york area, a very dramatic lighting tone inside there. they're seeing themselves on television again. >> they're going to break their arms. you guys, it's okay, we can see you, whoo! >> we must be on a big screen at the brooky navy yard. hello, brooklyn navy yard. that's where we're going to see hillary clinton. donald trump is going to speak from within the confines of his country club north of the city. we've been told a teleprompter has been brought in for the address. a far different backdrop for him with six american flags behind him. but these are the two differing events tonight. andrea mitchell has something of a preview of what we can expect to hear from hillary clinton tonight at said brooklyn navy yard. >> reporter: hillary clinton tonight is going to say that after tonight, she has a majority of the votes, besting

bernie sanders by more than 3 million votes. she'll have a majority of the pledged delegates, she says, a majority of the delegates overall. in her speech tonight she is going to focus on her role, the historic role that she believes she has, of course, as the first woman nominee of a major party. she'll be introduced by a two and a half-minute video tracing the history of women from the suffragette movement all the way up through iconic women. ann richards, gloria steinem, other women leaders. women of the civil rights movement. then, of course, she will be entering with a simple introduction. she'll be the only speaker here tonight. she'll be speaking we're told around 10:00. and focusing on that historic role, they really think that they have hit on a theme that will contrast not only what she means in terms of history but what she means in terms of contrast to donald trump in particular. remember that he attacked her

for playing the woman's card and then she, with a good sense of irony, came up on her website with an official woman card. a membership card for women. this is all against the background of the difficulty she's been experiencing. appealing to younger women. there's a real divide, a divide among the older and younger women. and that is something that has testified the campaign. they know they have a lot of work to do as younger women have really flock the to the revolutionary message and the younger appeal of an older candidate, bernie sanders. but that's what we're going to hear from hillary clinton tonight. they're feeling very pumped up. particularly as donald trump has had so many problems and stumbles in recent days. they think they've really hit on a theme by going after him hard as she did in what they think was a turning point. her speech billed as a foreign policy speech last weekend, san diego. but really a takedown speech of donald trump. >> andrea mitchell at the brooklyn navy yard, we'll be

checking back in with you. we have what passes for news on this primary tuesday night. first contest in the nation, the primary in the state of new jersey which donald trump has taken handily on the republican side. a couple of different conversations going on in this country. one among trump supporters. the other among the news media. and the republican establishment. i'm looking at you, nicole wallace. >> it is remarkable that we are back now tonight on this broadcast, back into the discussion about whether or not good republican party can undo this somehow. >> it is remarkable. >> if he's going to be there at the end. i think to chuck's earlier point, we beat that out of ourselves during the primary. in terms of, stop being surprised by this. >> and our voters beat it out of us. >> do it again, yes. >> we can't undo this. and the voters don't want it undone. i mean, i think trump still has

an 85% approval rating among republicans. >> what if the rnc dropped him if. >> rnc can't drop him, they didn't pick him. 87% of republicans want to see the republican establishment unite behind him. this is a fight between our base and the establishment. and the verdict is in. the base won. >> the base won, right. >> we need a new word for "over." it's over, he's our nominee. >> trump is the nominee of the republican party. the republican establishment can go start its own party or can temporarily remove itself from the republican party and run somebody else or sit it out or what are they think best. >> they can sit out his run. >> but count me a total skeptic in this conversation about trump not being the nominee. >> this is a real question that i feel like is not a hugely improbable hypothetical. what if paul ryan and mitch mcconnell feel so pushed by something that donald trump says that they pull a mark kirk?

>> what could be worse? he made a racist comment about a sitting federal judge. we keep talking about how bad can it get? well, i don't know, maybe he could say something racist about a sitting federal judge. oh, yeah, oops, that happened. i mean, i don't know -- there's no one left to insult. he's insulted everyone. >> what happens when paul ryan and mitch mcconnell start hearing you on that -- >> there's six months between now -- >> so they pull a mark kirk. so what? >> exactly. >> so what? what impact does that have? >> what if reince priebus does it and the rnc stops working on donald trump's behalf? >> it's donald trump's nomination. he'll replace reince priebus. >> okay. >> that could happen. >> could you imagine who he'd put in? >> i mean, his staff is five people. he'd have to slip a couple coins. he doesn't have a huge team. >> some of his children don't have full-time jobs. >> corey lewandowski would be the new head, manafort would run

the campaign. something like that. >> he lives there. but we've exaggerated sort of the power of the republican establishment at the wrong times. if they didn't have any power when there were 17 people in and there were actually other choices, they have less than no power now when there are no other choices. >> on that note, out to santa monica we go. chris matthews. you're at a place where it nicely illustrates the dichotomy between the media chattering and political classes and the folks who are out there living their lives and enjoying a beautiful day in southern california. >> actually, these are all fans of msnbc. right? >> yes! >> aren't you fans of msnbc! so it's not a real dichotomy here. i don't mind doing that once in a while. but you know, i think you said something a few minutes ago in setting up this segment. i think there's a great question for hillary clinton. can she replicate the power of her performance last week? can she show that she's on a

strong course now being able to articulate a strong attack on donald trump? and keep it up. not just have it a one-day wonder. i think that's something to proven to night. i think trump has got to get back on his larger theme of american nationalism and off of this ethnic thing he's doing now with this judge. he's got to get off of it. hillary proved you can change your game in a day. he's got to change his game back to what was winning for him. so i think it's a hell of a night. bernie sanders doesn't give concession speeches. so i'm not sure what's coming tonight. i expect he will claim victory somehow tonight. it's going to be a hell of a battle among the speeches. i think it's a big guessing -- there's a hell of a lot coming tonight for our audience to really find out how these three people explain themselves tonight. >> chris, i think starting with how different these candidates are going to look. the backdrops we just went through from the brooklyn navy yard, the air of celebration tonight, to what is really speculation as to what's going to be in donald trump's prepared

remarks, a speech delivered in front of a teleprompter, which candidly has not been his best mode of communication. but maybe the safest, especially right now. we're joined by a special guest and that is ohio democratic senator sherrod brown. senator, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> i keep looking at the capitol dome behind all our guests on capitol hill. when we started this primary process, it was still completely enshrouded in that scaffolding. now it's been restored. the scaffolding is coming down. everything has to be done by the time the president puts his or her hand on a bible in january and gets sworn in. and that leads me to my question to you. if hillary clinton is indeed going to be the democratic nominee, what would your advice be to her on how to fuse together what's become this new

movement that bernie sanders has lit across the country, plus her campaign effort? >> i think you're going to -- first you're going to see bernie on his timetable be strongly supportive of hillary clinton. i think that she has -- i think they will work things out. i think hillary understands the importance of bernie sanders to the democratic party now and to her efforts. i think bernie has a strong belief that donald trump will be -- would be a disaster. and i think bernie also generally supports what hillary's been standing for. i understand the differences. but differences in primaries are not generally all that dramatic. differences in style are pretty pronounced. differences in personality. but i think hillary will -- i trust hillary, what she's going to do on trade what she's going to do on manufacturing. i think she cops out of the box in january with a huge infrastructure bill. what we used to call public works in this country. putting literally millions of

people to work to build a foundation. our country was at its richest when we built public works and invested in public health and we built community colleges and we did all the things that put people to work directly. but equally importantly, build a foundation for real economic growth. we tried to do that with the recovery act in 2009-10. that's part of the reason we've had 75 or so consecutive months of economic growth. but it wasn't enough. i think you'll see something bigger and better with hillary come january. i think that will excite bernie ultimately, and ultimately bernie's people that have followed bernie. >> senator, rachel maddow here in new york, nice to have you with us tonight. >> thanks. >> you're one of the most progressive members of the democratic caucus did in the senate. you've been in the senate, a colleague of bernie sanders. i wonder when you look down the road past the end of this primary, you think about how this primary ends. when i look at that as a liberal, and i think about what this primary has done to the democratic party and the kind of

politics that bernie sanders has had such success with against such a strong candidate in hillary clinton, i want to know how the democratic party's going to change because of his success. i want to know how the democratic party is going to include him, if he's going to be an integral, cherished, welcomed member of the party, if he's going to have a new leadership role to play. or if people are going to be mad at him and resent how long this primary went. how do you see it going? >> i think you're already seeing it. the department of labor overtime rule in my state alone will mean 140,000 workers will get a significant raise or will get more time off for the same amount of pay because they've been working overtime unpaid as quote-unquote supervisory workers. we saw it last year where the democrats held together to make the earned income tax credit permanent. you've seen a shift in the democratic party on trade where overwhelmingly my party, our party, progressives, willow pose the transpacific partnership.

you've seen it on wall street. today jeb hanserling was in speaking at the new york economic club, he's the republican chairman of the banking and financial institutions committee. he's gone to new york, met with trump, introduced legislation today to scale back and repeal dodd-frank. and do wall street's bidding. trump's pretty much signing on to it, sounds like. that tells you the huge contrast between the two parties. hillary's going to be aggressive on wall street reform. she's going to defend the things in dodd-frank that are strong. she's going to make other parts of dodd-frank stronger. if things work the way i think, i'll be the chairman of the banking committee, i'll be there cheering her on. i had input in her plan on what she was doing to regulate shadow banking for stronger capital standards. all those kinds of things that progressives believe in. hillary believes in. and i think that's going to all contribute to her resounding election in the fall. >> sherrod brown, democratic

senator, thank you for joining us tonight. when we come back, we will -- we're nearing the time when we will hear from hillary clinton tonight. we've also been told bernie sanders has now been spotted walking through the silver lake neighborhood of los angeles. apparently not willing to stop until he has greeted each of the 40 million residents of the golden state.

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make a better california for all of us. we are back on this primary night. as we said early on in the evening, for this night considering what we believis about to happen for hillary clinton and the speech she's going to give for the republican presumed nominee to be

dominating the news coverage for another news cycle is nothing short of remarkable. the moderator of "meet the press" and our political director chuck todd can weigh in on what mitch mcconnell just said about donald trump. chuck? >> let test our producers in the control room. i think we have a clip, yet another question he was asked. a producer says we have it. if we have it -- i hope we have this clip. okay, i'm told we don't have it. i will read it. >> use the other ear. >> exactly. i will read it instead. "i think it's time for him to look like a serious candidate for president, think before you speak, apologize when you make a mistake, get on script. he's running for the most important job in the country, some would argue in the world. i think there's a certain threshold of credibility that needs to be met. this could be a winnable race. americans do i think want something different. that's why he got the nomination. but i think it's time for him to start acting like a serious

presidential canceled date." this is mitch mcconnell that just said this. who, as we know, is a very careful and cautious guy. when it comes to party politics. he doesn't like -- he basically doesn't go until he thinks there's consensus to go. he wouldn't be doing this on his own. if he doesn't have a whole bunch of senate republicans essentially about to revolt on him if he doesn't start basically saying more things like this. so you've got to know, when mitch mcconnell speaks, he's not doing it off the cuff. mark kirk may have done this, what he said today, and surprised mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell doesn't speak to surprise his colleagues. in many ways he's speaking because he's probably feeling the pressure from his own conference to do so. he's calling donald trump an unserious candidate for president up to this point. that's essentially what that statement has said. that's a tough comment from him. >> when you say he's feeling the heat from his own conference, what do you mean by that?

>> what i mean is if you know the history of mcconnell, he does not go off on his own. this is not somebody that will -- he will do this when he realizes he's either got to do one of two things. he knows the temperature of his conference, of those senate republicans, better than anybody up there in the u.s. senate. it's why he has survived as a party leader for as long as he has. so he does not do this off the cuff. that's my point. >> yet nicole, you can hear it posited during this season that mitch mcconnell is the reason why there is a donald trump. >> because of the anti-establishment sentiment in the country. well, mitch mcconnell was on this net work last week promoting a book. we specifically asked him what it was about mr. trump's candidacy that got him behind the campaign. and he pointed to a sheet of paper, a list of names of judges. and what about donald trump makes you think he'll stick to that list?

so mitch mcconnell didn't have a lot in his hand other than a piece of paper. and i think what chuck's trying to say more kindly than i will is mitch mcconnell doesn't have a lot of courage in terms of saying what he thinks. he waits until he thinks a lot of other people think it too. >> consensus, yeah. why is anybody shocked, shocked that donald trump is a loose cannon? i mean, what are we talking about here? they just noticed? he hasn't been this way the entire time? of course he has. >> comments out of left field? i was like, are you aware what the idiom "left field" is about? that would imply him saying a racist thing is a surprise because he'd never said something like that before. >> no, this came from the pitcher. >> exactly. >> it's been going on for a year. he started his campaign by saying, mexicans are rapists and we're going to build a wall on the border here's what they're grappling with and you've written about this. this is what our base wanted. so what people like mcconnell and paul ryan and lindsey graham are -- what their brains are

tied in noodles and knots over is that, wait a minute, those are my constituents. they picked him? wait a minute. wait. that's what they want? that's what they ordered off the help ewe? him? so what they can't get their brains around and what they can't process and reconcile is these are not -- trump wasn't nominated in some far-away land. he was nominated in their districts. >> and speaking of donald trump and paul ryan, control room tells me we have the cover of tomorrow's "new york daily news." say what you will about the "new york daily news," they've done a superb job this cycle of marketing their coverage for the next day based on political results the night before. katy tur is -- covers donald trump, as you may know, and is inside the venue now at the country club where we're going to hear from donald trump. katy, have you any further guidance? >> reporter: on the heels of mitch mcconnell saying he wishes

donald trump would start to speak more from script, what we're seeing tonight, you can see it behind me, there are teleprompters set up on stage. the first time we've seen teleprompters at victory speeches. we've seen him use them on a couple of other occasions. one for his foreign policy speech, another time the nra. i am told by two sources that are close to the candidate that he worked on his speech tonight. they planned it very carefully. we'll see how strictly he follows this speech. i'm also told that the campaign and the candidate himself understands that they've stepped in it, they understand that this is a bad week. they are trying to correct it. but the source also adds that donald trump has been extraordinarily stubborn about this, as he is with everything, when it comes to calling for apologies, he doesn't like to admit when he is wrong. so they do not expect him to give an apology tonight. but we will see how much this speech givers from the rest of them. >> katy tur in briarcliff, new

york. we'll go there live when donald trump takes to the same. another break for us. live coverage of this night in politics continues.

we are back on this tuesday night on the right-hand side of your screen bernie sanders continuing to campaign in the silver lake neighborhood of los angeles.

that's an exclusive picture of the sky over the silver lake neighborhood of los angeles. on the left is the brooklyn navy yard where hillary clinton will be appearing and where their cheering captains have kept the crowd at a high energy level. american flags have been hung and handed out for the crowd. and let's go transcontinental to santa monica, california. chris matthews with a special guest. >> it is a special dpels. i've got maria schreiber, a special ankle -- anchor, ankle too maybe, for our network. you've been through this. i was asking about the '60s when you were a kid. went through the kennedy election, the first roman catholic as president. carver pointed out the democratic party has got its faults but it did present us with the first roman catholic president, the first african-american president, now a good chance the first woman president. >> she has to clinch the nomination, then she has to go on to win. i think it's an incredible

moment obviously for hillary clinton. and i think it's made possible by obviously her stamina, her intelligence. but all the women who went before her. you think about seneca falls, you think about the women who fought for the right to vote, you think about all the women who have done so much kind of community organizing. and i think, i hope she talks about that tonight. and certainly i think you just saw bernie sanders campaigning in silver lake. the stamina of body of these candidates has been mesmerizing to me. because they always say people have to be retired at 55 or 60. you see them all campaigning. so -- >> bernie's almost 65. >> he's in silver lake which is a very young, very hip community in los angeles. still out there getting votes. so while the polls have been closed here in california, i think when they do, obviously all the eyes will be on mrs. clinton. >> watching it now, campaigning out here. what do you think the appeal is of bernie? you said young people out here.

it's like tony bennett. he came back late in his career. the young people seemed to love tony bet net. >> i haven't heard that comparison. i've talked to a lot of young people men and women who are for bernie sanders. they talk about the economic issue. most young people are living paycheck to paycheck as are so many millions of people in this country. and they work one and two jobs and they can't even move out of their parents' home. they can't make it. so many i have spoken to say, especially young women, it's not that i don't like hillary clinton, but he's talking about issues that resonate with me on a day-to-day basis. i live paycheck to paycheck, i don't like the way the economic system is stacked against me. -- >> what do you think of free state tuition at major state universities, university of michigan, places like that? >> we were talking about university of michigan because my son is headed there. >> a hell of a deal. >> it's what? >> it's a hell of a deal if you go free. >> well, he's not going free. but i think coming back to

california, i want to talk about this state which has so many people, innovative people, dreamers. and more business owners. women business owners in this state than any other state. and also more women living paycheck to paycheck in this state. so i think this is so many people in california worry that it wouldn't matter by the time the presidential race got to california. i think tonight it does matter. and i'm hoping that tief had over 500,000 new people register to vote, i'm hoping they'll come out and regardless of who they vote for, i hope they'll make their voice heard. >> you've watched this develop. what is going on? if you could put the calibration to it. women began to go to law school, more than men even. our daughter is going to stanford business this year. seems like the entrepreneurial spirit and confidence of women is the big new deal. >> it's big. and it's been big for a while. as i said, you've seen so many women starting businesses here. i think women want to take

control of their own destiny. they want to parent. they want to provide. we just did a big poll which so many women said corporate america and these institutions don't make it possible for them to be both partners, providers and people. and so they're taking their futures into their own hands. it's very different. when i started in television, you went to work in one place for 10, 20 years, you thought about a pension, you thought about staying there. young people today, they get in the driver's seat of their own lives, their entrepreneurial issues, no more so than in california. >> what do you think about bill clinton as first spouse? it's going to be fascinating. hillary clinton i think has a better than even chance to be the next president. bill clinton's upstairs, something happens big, something with putin. does she say, come on down? does she say, don't let him come down? how do you think they're going to handle that? >> they'll figure it out. >> another president living upstairs. >> i think the first lady/first

spouse role has been evolving. the last many years. i think gender roles have really been evolving. i think you see that in this campaign. i think there's a lot of gender discussion. what does it mean to be a woman? what are women capable of? how are men viewing women that are empowered like this? i think this is a conversation that's going on all across the country. and i hope this doesn't become about a woman verses a man. but i think so many of the issues mrs. clinton is talking about, whether it's family leave, flexible work schedules, these are issues that men also care deeply about. men want to be good fathers. men want to be providers. men want to be good sons, caregivers. we have so many people aging that require men and women to take care of them. so these are issues i think that are really interesting to men today in 2016. and they're really interesting to women. so i'm excited about issues that used to be just in the women's

section. now being issues that men and women care about. >> i'm glad i asked you. that's really what's going on now, brian. great to have you on, maria shriver. talking about men and women on these issues. a lot of men raising the kids now. >> they're doing work in alzheimer's, taking care of parents who are aging. >> we care about alzheimer's. >> we do, yeah. >> maria shriver, it's great to have you on. >> chris matthews, thanks. thanks to our friend maria. sounds like pieces of all our lives in that conversation. we have news on two fronts. number one, between chuck todd and nicole wallace we have a bit more of a preview on donald trump. number two, let's go to chris jansing also in santa monica. chris, i'm hearing inklings that bernie sanders' travel plans formal night may have changed? >> he's been going back and forth. where's he going to go once he leaves here? all afternoon we thought he was going to travel across the country, go home to vermont, then no, he wasn't going to do it, now i just got word from his

campaign he is tomorrow morning going to leave here, go to vermont. he's not going to stay very long for these conversations they're going to have on the plane and continue once they get to burlington. he's going back to washington, d.c. on thursday which means, as you know, they vote next tuesday. he's going to keep campaigning one way or another. he has said he wants everyone's vote to count. so he's going to go back to washington, d.c. and continue his campaign. and i think what you're going to hear tonight at this airport hangar here in santa monica is really an answer to critics who say that keeping going with this is hurting the party. he's going to make the argument he's brought tens of thousands, millions of people into this party, young people, independents, progressives, really got them energized. so as he continues to walk along silver lake and hollywood boulevard, a decision has been made that on thursday he's going to be on the campaign trail in washington, d.c. >> chris jansing in front of the press check-in line at the

terminal there at santa monica airport, chris, thank you very much. that news i mentioned previewing the donald trump event tonight, it's going to have to wait till the other side of this break.

we're back. 8:42 eastern time. the polls have been closed now for three-quarters of an hour. that is the trump event at his country club north of the city. and between nicole wallace and the moderator of "meet the press," nbc news political director chuck todd, we have some preview reporting i am told. let go left to right. you kids, divide your time and be nice to each other. >> no, no. >> have nicole go first. >> is that chivalry? >> we just like you. >> i'll take it. so trump's goal for tonight, i'm told that he had a bad day today. he was over at trump tower trying to fix a mess he

acknowledged he was in. the statement did not pass that test by a lot of people's judgment. but i think there's a deep belief that the speech tonight will. the speech is on teleprompter. it's been done for a while. i'm told he rehearsed it. it its objective is to help trump turn a corner. the one thing that does unite republicans, even ones with a lot of the misgivings about trump, is attack on hishlg. it will be a tough speech, it will be a response to the speech we covered last week, hillary clinton's indictment of his temperament and his ability -- >> or inability. >> i'm told specifically he will address hillary clinton's role in the clinton foundation, hillary clinton's broader foreign policy, her failures in libya, syria, and the iran deal, which is a big winner among republican voters and some democrats who have questions about the iran deal that the obama and kerry team pushed through. >> so that makes it -- if that is what's going to happen, if he is going to pull that off, that is the kind of political path

that one would expect a presidential candidate to follow. the question is whether or not trump can do that when he's not being directed to do that. clearly his instincts aren't in that direction but this would imply his handlers can steer him. >> it boughts he bought into this. he recognized the need to use the opportunity he has tonight to send a different message than the one he's been sending the last five days. he obviously had to participate and buy in to practice and rehearse. >> chuck, to your point that he squandered five weeks, this is the kind of thing his supporters want him to get back on. >> they do. one of the other things that was impressed upon him was the financial motivation here. like, this is an important time. his june calendar is supposed to be filled with fund-raising. this controversy is making it harder for those folks to hit goals and things like that. so there is no bigger motivator sometimes with trump than saying, look, the less you fund-raise, the more cash you may have to put in yourself on this front.

that is something he doesn't want to do. but i had another trump helper on this. i'll just leave it at that. say, look, the only way to turn the page on this, they think in the short-term, is a new grandchild. and it's like, there are some who are simply hoping ivanka hurries and up has her child, hoping that gives him an opportunity to essentially turn the page a little bit. humanize him a little bit. because that's the other part of this that they're obviously very concerned about is that it's just hurt his personal ratings even more. >> do you mean that literally? they're hoping that -- >> i mean, it was said somewhat facetiously. then it was like, well, anything could help at this point is what this person was saying, anything that makes him -- takes the focus off of him and this hard edge. >> i wonder if he can just take a break for a while. if they can just get him off the campaign trail, let other republicans talk on his behalf about hillary clinton, instead of him talking on his own behalf.

i wonder if that's the best they could home for right now. >> we'll see what tonight looks like. when we get there. by the way, we have not lost sight of the fact that we have contests we're covering tonight. hillary clinton in the lead with our determination there in yellow, too early to call. it's a rolling determination. we'll be back with more after this. man 1: you're new.

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next polls will close in new mexico, north dakota, south dakota at 9:00 p.m. eastern time, just under ten minutes away. we already have new jersey in the works here tonight, and we have a special guest waiting to talk to us. democratic california, four-term senator, barbara boxer is with us from capitol hill tonight. senator, welcome to you. and if we stick with the theme that hillary clinton is the presumptive nominee of the democratic party and if we all agree that bernie sanders has energized the left and mobilized millions of people this year and that he is no hurry to change his status as an active candidate, how would you advise these two to come together as one? >> i think we go back to 2008, in a very tight race, hillary

clinton versus barack obama. and hillary clinton was very close to barack obama. it was a way-closer race than this one. and she did the right thing, at the right moment, when it was right for her. and she embraced his candidacy and walked through, you know, the convention hand in hand, and into november. and even went to work for him. and her heart was broken. look, i know, i've lost an election. it does break your heart. but she really, i think, set the pace for what ought to happen. and i hope bernie will do this. i think that he has said over and over his biggest priority is making sure donald trump doesn't get near the white house. so when bernie feels it's the moment, i hope he will take a page out of hillary's book. >> senator boxer, it's rachel maddow here. thanks for being with us tonight. >> sure. >> you are retiring from the senate. there's a very interesting primary to try to fill your seat tonight in california and

california has this unusual system now, where there won't be a republican nominee chosen and a democratic nominee chosen for that seat. that everybody runs in the same primary and the top two candidates will face off in the general election. it may be, it's likely to be that two democrats are going to be the two general election candidates to try to replace you in that seat, to try to secede you in that seat. how do you feel about that? >> well, i feel great that i can say with pretty good confident that a strong democratic woman will be taking my seat. and i'm excited about that. it's so unusual. this is the first time we've had this type of primary. >> do you think that california should be a model for the country on this, or do you think it's too weird? >> listen, as far as this way of voting, i'm not a van of this way of voting. but in terms of promoting women to the united states senate and the house of representatives, yes, i think it's important, as we hopefully region this milestone of having our first

woman presidential candidate of a major party, that we also push so that the legislatures all over the country are approximately 50/50. it's so important, rachel. who's in the room? who's left out of the room? the type of policies that come out of those rooms depend on who's in it. and we need the diversity. >> my colleague, chris matthews, is in santa monica tonight and i know he wants to jump in here, senator. chris, go ahead. >> thanks, rachel. senator boxer, tell us about how interesting it is, it looks like both candidates who will be in the same party primary, the multi-party primary, i guess you would have to call it, in california for u.s. senate to replace your vote aboth are goi be democrats? >> yes. it's amazing how blue my state has become. when i started, it was reddish purplish. and one of the reasons i feel i

can leave the senate and pursue other things and i do intend to do that is because my state is bright blue and i feel great about what's going to follow. >> senator boxer, i -- >> what happened to the republican -- i'm sorry. i would just ask, what happened to the republican party of cree that elected nixon and reagan and used to vote for people like earl warren. what happened to that party? >> the party has moved so far over to the right. and they used to be leaders on the environment. leaders on privacy rights, like a woman's right to choose. and they lost their way or they found a different way. and they're just out of step. and i don't know whether it's the money in politics or the fundamentalists that took over that party. but it is not reflective of the beauty of our state, which is the diversity, the independence, that entrepreneurial spirit. it's just left the republican party. >> thank you. >> senator barbara boxer, thank you very much for taking our questions and being with us

tonight, from capitol hill in washington. >> of course. >> back here in the studio, nicole, we're trying to chase down a quote about donald trump's daughter having a child -- having just had a child eight weeks ago. what -- >> ivanka had her baby. she was very pregnant -- >> seeing the baby. >> on the campaign trail and then i think less than a week after the baby was born, she participated in the cnn town hall. and so the campaign has responded robustly saying that she had her baby already. >> yes, but -- >> whence this quote about becoming a grandfather again? >> because the point -- as far as i read it, the quote to chuck was somebody saying hyperbolically, we're just hoping another baby comes down the pike. >> can't she reproduce quickly enough? >> ivanka is a working mother who i follow on twitter is juggling a lot already. and she has done her part and continues to do her part. she is the shiny bright star -- actually, all the trump kids are

stellar. >> on that note, let's take a stellar break ourselves and continue our coverage. we're back at the top of the hour for the 9:00 closings.

9:00 in the east coast and that brings three more states on to our big board of four. upper left, they are new mexico, for the democrats. we're looking at contested races. and for the democrats, too early to call in new mexico. next door to that is north dakota. too early to call in north dakota. down to south dakota, too early to call in south dakota. and over to new jersey. it remains too early to call with clinton leading. also in new jersey, some

interesting raw numbers are coming in. so we thought this was an opportunity for our own steve kornacki -- >> i'm nervous about his map. >> he now has a two-color map. >> i have great news for you. you say two colors. look at this. we have a little yellow up here. there's three colors in this one. folks, we're coming along here. >> i feel overwlhelmoverwhelmed. >> we have some results from new jersey. we've been talking about how hillary clinton has changed and grown her coalition from 2008. new jersey is kind of telling you this story. she's leading by 18 points. all of these counties, she's leading in right now. three things that i'm seeing when i look at this map. first of all, you're looking at counties like ocean county, gloucester county, down in the southern part of the state. she's leading in these places. these are more heavily white counties, more working class white counties. her margin has come down significantly from 2008. she barack obama in counties like -- we can show you right here. go to ocean county right now.

look, she won ocean county by 30 points in 2008. she's leading by eight tonight. she's still ahead, but she's lost some of that blue-collar white vote in new jersey, it looks like. at the same time, the other thing i'm seeing is take a very affluent, heavily white county in the state. look at somerset county or right next door, huntington county, barack obama won these counties over her in 2008. she flipped that. she's leading in them tonight. we've seen this in other states. we talked about the gold coast in connecticut. that was obama 2008, clinton 2016. the other big thing for hillary clinton, we talked about this before. the black vote, s-6 county. this is the biggest single vote-producing county in the state. there's a large black population here. she won the state in '08, but lost big in essex county very early. but you can see, she's leading very early. so she's gotten a big share of the black vote, probably in new jersey tonight. not doing quite as well with blue-collar white voters, but doing well with affluent white

voters in a state like new jersey, if that is what we see around the state, we'll be in good shape. >> steve kornacki, you've been a new jersey politics reporter for a large portion of your short life. from observing previous new jersey elections, do you have anything to tell us about how we should expect the vote to come in? how much it will come in overall over the course of the evening, and where we'll have a lagging vote? >> so this is the one everybody's looking at, too. you look at the bellwether county. the famous bellwether county in new jersey is bergen county. this is a big bedroom -- a series of bedroom communities, sort of right over the george washington bridge comes into the southern part of the state. you've got about 10 to 12% of the vote statewide, is going to come out of this county tonight. one thing you're waiting to see in terms of making a call here is what happens when you see very, very little has come in so far. this is probably absentee vote. so when bergen starts to come in, that's the bellwether. again, what you're seeing top to bottom in the state here are varying degrees of clinton leads right now.

i think as long as bergen comes in the way they're expecting, it'll look a lot better for her. >> thank you, steve. one great stat coming out of new jersey has to do with a one subtext of the republican vote. john kasich at 11% tonight. >> interesting! double digits for kasich zplp we wanted to let you know that. and let's go out to south dakota, where we have a call. that is donald trump, the projected winner of the south dakota primary and it's 29 delegates. >> not a lot of suspense right now in terms of the republican race. although the john kasich forces of the world, such as they may be, has to be happy with netting double digits in new jersey, and they got a very high-profile vote/endorsement from the former republican governor of california, arnold schwarzenegger, who not only said he did not vote for donald trump, he went out of his way to let people know the one he voted for was john kasich in california tonight. >> and we have steve schmitt,

someone who's been listening to our coverage all evening long, especially where it pertains to donald trump and a preview of tonight's remarks. steve, your reaction? >> well, there's some great lessons in california, that remarkable fact that you're likely to see two democrats in a general election, because of the rules and the california primary. this was a republican state. ronald reagan's home state. richard nixon's home state. reliably, elected republican governors. in early 2017, the republican party is on track to become smaller than the decline to state party. and that is the result of the a alienation of voters. it changed forever the

complexity of politics in california. and there were profound lessons for republicans coming out of california nationally. and trends, whether for good or for bad, often start in california. and the notion that the national party can't go down the road of the california republican party, where it essentially becomes one of the largest interest groups in the state, but no longer has any capacity to win elections, which is the case in california, that shouldn't be lost as we get ready to hear from the presumptive republican nominee tonight. and i think that when you get ready to hear donald trump speak, one thing is clear. the market inside the republican party has bared about all it can bare with regard to his comments, with regard to the lack of discipline. mitch mcconnell's remarkable statement. the fact that the speaker of the house is on the cover of the "daily news" and the very difficult position of, hey, his comments are racist, but i'm still voting for him. just not a tenable position for

intellectually serious, good people. serious politicians to be in. and so, we're going to see tonight donald trump try to rehabilitate his image, because he's in big trouble. >> all right. we're going to listen to donald trump by way of telling you we have a little news here. new jersey awarded to hillary clinton, the projected winner in the democratic party. let's go to donald trump's remarks at a country club north of new york city. >> you know what that is? we're only getting started and it's going to be beautiful. remember that. tonight we close one chapter in history and we begin another. our campaign received more primary votes than any gop campaign in history, no matter who it is, no matter who they are, we received more votes. this is -- great feeling. that's a great feeling. this is not a testament to me,

but a testament to all of the people who believed real change, not obama change, but real change is possible. you've given me the honor to lead the republican party to victory this fall. we're going to do it. we're going to do it, folks. we're going to do it. i understand the responsibility of carrying the mantle and i will never, ever let you down. too much work, too many people, blood, sweat, and tears. never going to let you down. i will make you proud of your party and our movement. that's what it is, a movement. recent polls have shown that a i'm beating hillary clinton and with all of her many problems and the tremendous mistakes that she's made, and she has made tremendous mistakes, we expect

our lead to continue to grow and grow substantially. for everyone who voted for me throughout this campaign, i want to thank you. i want to thank you very, very much. to those who voted for someone else, in either party, i'll work hard to earn your support. and i will work very hard to earn that support. to all of those bernie sanders voters who have been left out in the cold by a rigged system of super delegates, we welcome you with open arms. 33 believe me #. [ cheers and applause ] >> and by the way, the terrible trade deals that bernie was so vehemently against, and he's right on that, will be taken care of far better than anyone

ever thought possible. and that's what i do. we are going to have fantastic trade deals. we're going to start making money and bringing in jobs. now, i know some people say i'm too much of a fighter. my preference is always peace, however. and i've shown that. i've shown that for a long time. i've built an extraordinary business on relationships and deals that benefit all parties involved. always. my goal is always, again, to bring people together. but if i'm forced to fight for something i really care about, i will never, ever back down. and our country will never, ever back down. thank you.

i've fought for my family, i've fought for more business, i've fought for my employees. and now, i'm going to fight for you, the american people. like nobody has ever fought before. and i'm not a politician fighting, i'm me. you're going to see some real good things happen. just remember this, i'm going to be your champion. i'm going to be america's champion. because you see, this election isn't about republican or democrat it's about who runs this country. the special interests or the people, and i mean, the meamerin people. every election year, politicians promise change.

obama promised change and it didn't work out too well. and every year, they fail to deliver. why would politicians want to change a system that's totally rigged in order to keep them in power? that's what they're doing, folks. why would politicians want to change a system that's made them and their friends very, very wealthy? i beat a rigged system, by winning with overwhelming support. the only way you could have done it. landslides all over the country, with every demographic on track to win 37 primary caucus victories in a field that began with 17 very talented people. after years of disappointment, there's one thing we all have learned. we can't fix the rigged system by relying on very -- and i mean this so, so strongly, on the very people who rigged it.

and they rigged it. and do not ever think anything differently. we can't solve our problems by counting on the politicians who created our problems. the clintons have turned the politics of personal enrichment into an art form for themselves. [ cheers and applause ] they've made hundreds of millions of dollars selling access, selling favors, selling government contracts, and i mean hundreds of millions of dollars. secretary clinton even did all of the work on a totally illegal private server. something that how she's getting away, folks, nobody understands. designed to keep her corrupt dealings out of the public record, putting the security of the entire country at risk, and

a president in a corrupt system is totally protecting her. not right. i am going to give a major speech on probably monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the clintons. i think you're going to find it very informative and very, very interesting. i wonder if the press will want to attend. who knows. hillary clinton turned the state department into her private hedge fund. the russians, the saudis, the chinese, all gave money to bill and hillary and got favorable treatment in return. it's a sad day in america when foreign governments with deep pockets have more influence in our own country than our great

citizens. i didn't need to do this. it's not easy, believe me. i didn't need to do it, but i felt i had to give back to our wonderful country, which has been so good to me and to my family. [ cheers and applause ] i've traveled to many of our states and seen the suffering in people's eyes. i've visited communities in new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, connecticut, indiana, and ohio, whose manufacturing jobs -- literally, these jobs have virtually disappeared. an embarrassment to our country and it's horrible. i've embraced the victims of illegal immigration, moms and dads who have had to bury their own children, because of people who shouldn't have been in the country. remember it, folks. remember it.

i've visited the crumbling cities and the struggling schools. i've seen our dilapidated airports, highways, bridges, and i've compared them to other country countries where we see facilities so far superior to ours, it's really not to be believed. hard to imagine what's happened to our country. america is being taken apart piece by piece, auctioned off and just rapidly, auctioned off to the highest bidder. we're broke. we're broke. we are $19 trillion, going quickly to $21 trillion. our infrastructure is a disaster. our schools are failing. crime is rising. people are scared. the last thing we need is hillary clinton in the white

house or an extension of the obama disaster. [ cheers and applause ] trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! >> what a crowd. what a crowd. thank you all very much. we love our country. we love our country. but we can turn this all around. we're going to do it by putting america first. [ cheers and applause ] that commitment is the foundation for change that's been missing and has been missing for a long time. it's important to understand what "america first" means. it means on foreign policy, we will never enter into any conflict unless it makes us safer as a nation. it has to make us safer as a

nation. this is, this is the opposite of hillary's foreign policy, which invaded libya, destabilized iraq, unleashed isis, and threw syria into chaos, and created the mass migration, which is wreaking havoc all over the world. and while putting iran on the path to nuclear weapons and making them a dominant power in the middle east. and they are dominant and we have made them that way, folks. we have made them that way. better hope i'm president. on trade, america first means the american worker will have his or her job protected from unfair foreign competition. what's happening there is absolutely a disgrace.

>> no ppp! >> no ppp, you're right about that. so -- and you mean, no pp. we are going, and remember this, we are only going to have great trade deals. we are only going to have this. we're not going to improve, as someone just said, the transpacific partnership, which is a disaster, a disaster for our country. almost as bad as nafta, signed by bill clinton, which has just stripped our country of our factories and our manufacturing and moved them to other places, in particular, mexico. if it's not a great deal for our country, we will not sign it. it's got to be great for our country, for our community, for everybody in here, because believe me, we are all suffering. and we're suffering big league. and it's getting worse. on energy policy, american first

means opening up america's great potential to bring wealth and prosperity to our own workers. including our wonderful and hard-working miners who have been absolutely, totally mistreated by this administration. on economic politics, america first means having tax and regulatory policies that keep jobs and wealth in the united states, substantially lower taxes for middle class americans and businesses, likewise regulation, which is strangling our economy, which would be brought down from its present insane level. we will make it very, very good for our companies, for our small businesses, and for people that want to survive and do well in our country. on immigration policy, america first means protecting the jobs,

wages and security of american workers. whether first or tenth generation, no matter who you are, we're going to protect your job. because let me tell you, our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies. the beauty of america first is that it brings us all together. every american worker of every background is entitled to the same benefits, protections, and rights and privileges. it's got to be that way. now, the people in charge say things can't change. i'm here today to tell you that we have to change. we have no choice. we have to change. we're going to put -- thank you. we're going to put america back to work. we're going to make our own products. we're going to put america back to work. [ cheers and applause ]

we're going to rebuild our inner cities, which are absolutely a shame and so sad. we're going to take care of our african-american people that have been mistreated for so long. we're going to make you and your family safe, secure, and prosperous. prosperous again. together, we will put the american people first again. first again. we will make our communities wealthy. we will make our cities safe again. we will make our country strong again. ladies and gentlemen, we will make america great again. remember. thank you. thank you [ cheers and applause ]

thank you very much, everybody. >> donald trump in briarcliff manor, new york, at his country club facility north of new york city. a big windup to his what has become his slogan, we will make america great again. some of the quotes i wrote down, "i will never let you down," "i will make you proud." he said, "our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies." a full-throated economic message. nicole wallace among those watching with us. your reaction? >> i wrote down both of those. i also wrote down "i beat a rigged system." a very blatant play for the sanders voters who may not land o trump, but are certainly drawn to sanders for some of the same reasons. this campaign, this revolution against an establishment. >> also, he's running against the clintons as a kind of a corporate entity. so anything that bill clinton did, anything that hillary clinton did, he's lumping it all

together, trying to do it. it was a speech that stayed on message, which is something that, obviously, trump doesn't usually do. it was not a speech that sounded like his voice, right? so one of the things that speechwriter tries to do, obviously, is write in the person's voice. i guess it's hard to write for donald trump's voice, but he's not comfortable with a teleprompter. i'm sure he will become more proficient at that. >> can i be blunt in terms of my reaction to that? i feel like -- obviously, i -- personally, i'm a liberal. i'm not a person that i think donald trump is really competing for my vote if i were a civilian and not a member of the media here. but i feel like watching that speech by donald trump, i get that that is sort of what the commenta commentaryiat and they want him to come, but i think that donald

trump would not have won a single primary. i think him winning someone else's words poorly with no sense of the audience, he seems like a bad version of a small -- >> that's not true. he participated in -- i have it on very good authority he helped write the speech. >> hold on. let me finish my point. i'm not making a case to the origin of the speech. i'm talking about the way it was delivered. if i just started paying attention tonight and i'm an undecided voter. what's all this surprise and discussion about donald trump, that's not a powerful -- that's not the powerful donald trump that rolled over everybody else in the primary. that was a charisma sink for him. >> well, but saying "i will never make you down" and "i will make you proud" of your party, was the rest of the sentence, were things he had to say. steve schmidt walked offered and said, this will calm the waters and that was the goal. and he did participate in the crafting of this speech. it was crafted by his very small inner circle, including his daughter, including chris christie, i'm told. this was a joint effort.

and this is what a campaign is supposed to do. craft a message for a moment and deliver it with ease. and he did that tonight. >> that's what i'm saying. i don't think we're disagreeing on this. i think this is what the establishment wants. this is what professional politicians -- >> his voters would like him see do this. >> but that's not the same donald trump that won. and i don't think that was a very charismatic or -- >> i think nicole's point is, today, after all we've seen today, that was perhaps the speech he had to give. perhaps his first task was to calm the waters and not -- >> to make the republican party happy with him. >> to reach out to people -- >> his base doesn't want to see him mired in this muck all the time. i think his base wants to see him do better. so i don't think he caused himself any problems with his voters. >> let's go on over to steve schmidt and hear from steve schmitt. your reaction? >> look, with i think it was a very strong effort by donald trump tonight. remember, we live in an era where trump has nearly collapsed in every institution in the

country with the exception of the military. and what voters fundamentally believe is that is it a rigged system with one set of rules for people at the top, a different set of rules for everybody else underbeneath and donald trump gave voice to that. that was a powerful populist pitch. and i think that speech, that message delivered the way that he did it tonight will send shivers down the spines of some people in the clinton high command. now, the question is, is can donald trump maintain discipline? can he deliver an economic populist message consistently? can he stay out of all of these other issues that have become diversions, time sucks for the campaign, that have dragged him very, very badly off of message. but that was his answer tonight to mitch mcconnell, to paul ryan, and that speech will do much good in calming the political waters for the republican party in washington. they'll see somebody who wasn't great on the teleprompter, but wasn't bad, and is going to have time to get much better before

he addresses tens of millions of americans from the convention hall, delivering a speech for change. but what we saw today was the architecture of a campaign message. there were two types of elections. change and more of the same. and donald trump, tonight, went out and he said, hey, i'm the change agent in this race. bill and hillary clinton represent more of the same. and that is not where they want to be in this campaign. so i think he architected out a framework to win an election tonight. and it was a good effort by him. >> i have a question for ben ginsburg, who is sitting along side you. ben ginsburg, former general council of the rnc, a partner at jones day. ben, earlier, we were unable to get your reaction to various folks on our air. james carville, chief among them. and carville kind of paused and said that i have -- there are some lingering doubt as to whether trump is going to be the

nominee of the party in cleveland this summer. >> yeah, i think there's no doubt that he is going to be the nominee. i think that what the speech did tonight was, there was chatter today in washington about how maybe there would be some ways to disrupt the nomination process. i think the speech tonight was designed to stop it. there is a theoretical way to take the nomination from him. his campaign is fully aware of that. and the speech tonight was really designed to be sure that the delegates in the hall feel a degree of confidence. the question is, in the speeches he gives between now and the convention, is it the donald trump who was disciplined tonight? there was a dollop of policy in with the populism. is that the donald trump who is on the campaign trail for the next month, or, in fact, are we going to see a reversion, the guy who like sort of couldn't help himself when the tpp

reference came in, to make a slightly off-color jump using the same initials. so which donald trump is it who shows up? >> and eugene, the one thing we did learn, although he wasn't specific about the day, he is promising a larger speech, a formal speech about the clintons. >> about the clintons. now, he actually will be running, presumably, against hillary clinton. not against anybody else, right? but, clearly, his strategy is to lump together bill and hillary clinton and chelsea clinton and the clinton foundation and everything the clintons have ever done or said or stood for or been involved with that turned out badly, basically. and, you know, that, for a certain segment of the population, might be effective. it's certainly effective among republicans. one thing republicans tend to

agree on is that they don't like hillary clinton and they don't like the clintons. whether it appeals beyond that, frankly, is a big question. >> and what republicans will look for is, can he get more specific? i think on the question of her e-mails, there are some democrats with some concerns about how she's answered those questions. so i think if he does this broad brush stroke with clintonism, i think that's not as sure of a thing as if he narrows -- listen, bernie sanders has create d some of the template fr him. and he has echoed some of his attacks on him. and when he gets specific, this is a better place for him, when it's this broad brush paint about the clinton era, i don't think it's as effective. >> i feel like we're doing a book report about a book on which the movie was based. what we just watched was the movie. we just saw donald trump giving a speech prime-time. the last election we'll have before the actual election. and he gave a bad speech. and he gave a speech that looked

good on paper, and i think did check all the boxes that i think are going to un-freak-out a lot of republican establishment, but he was not donald trump. and the -- the one thing that the trump campaign proved internally and externally during the primaries is, when you let trump be trump, he can do his thing and he can win battles you'd never expect him to win. that was not him being himself. that was him as a managed politician. and he's doing all the things you need to do to win on paper. i do also think that his personality and his charisma and his magnetism disappeared in that moment. >> i did not see the charisma come through. >> but we don'txpect anyone else to only be one thing. so trump has to be screaming racist at the top of his lungs to be exciting. >> no, no. >> that's not a fair or aboutive analysis of what trump needs to accomplish. >> i'm unfair? >> it's not an objective analysis to say unless trump is oozing charisma and spontaneity, he's not a good candidate.

>> when trump is being trump, even when he's not being racist or sexist -- >> yes. >> -- there's a certain energy and a certain sort of suspense and atmosphere he creates of excitement. and that didn't have that -- >> -- while being on message. proven he can do one or the other, but not both at the same time. >> that's fair enough, but i don't think he needed to create anymore excitement tonight. >> that's -- okay. >> well, he didn't. >> i think he accomplished his political objectives tonight. so, you know, i don't think he should be held to a standard that we don't -- >> all i'm saying is he has proven he can do one thing, he's proven he can do both. he can't be both charismatic and on-message yet. we haven't seen that at the same time. that's the question whether we can do that at the same time. agreed? >> agreed. >> buy me a new website. >> we can talk to hugh hewitt with us from -- wow, you've overtaken lafayette park across

from the white house, clearly. hugh, welcome to the broadcast. it's boisterous, i hope you're up to it. and i'll start with a dual question. your opinion of the speech, as delivered this the debate about teleprompter versus ad lib trump, and your opinion of the content of the speech. >> well, i never thought i would be saying this, so i want to pause and make sure i get it right. i agree with rachel maddow and james carville. >> i'm very sorry. >> it is -- >> that's all the time we have. good night, everyone. >> you just broke twitter. >> his challenge tonight was to drain the toxicity -- i want to go back to nicole wallace's comments at the beginning of the program. he's entered into the most toxic region of america. he's gotten race wrong three times with his down the trump tower speech on mexican illegal immigrants being rapists, with the david duke kkk comment, and then with the worse 72 hours of his campaign in over the last three days. in this speech, he wasn't just

tin eared, he was cobalt eared at the end when he said, "we will take care of our african-americans." i actually cringed when i heard that. there was a great three lines in there about secretary clinton's foreign policy failures. but i was at the end of this saying, paul ryan is still thinking about that "daily news" cover that said, "i'm with racist," perhaps the most bludgeoning cover i've seen since the "drop dead" cover for jero gerald ford. i'm with james carville. i think a lot of people are still thinking, the plane is headed towards the mountain. this could be 2006 again. the inflection point today, up until today, or over the last 24 to 48 hours, people are thinking, we might lose the senate, but he might win. if he names a good vice president, good secretary of state, he could pull this out. and they began to realize over the past 48 hours, he could lose

the state, the house legislatures, it's a panic mode. and that speech because the reasons rachel articulated did not take it away. >> so what do you do? you can see on radar, the plane headed to the mountain, in your words, what do you mean? >> new pilots. a vice president, a secretary of defense, a secretary of state, you surround yourselves with a team, because one thing that carville said, james said this two hours ago, there is no campaign. there isn't -- they had to bring chris christie across the river. they had to rush in reinforcements. i assume that donald jr., eric, and ivanka were involved, as well. there isn't any structure there. there isn't depth. and the writing in the speech, chris matthews is a former ghost writer, so am i, it was just pedestrian. tell us what we take away from that other than the cringe-worthy moments and the fact he didn't insult anybody, and he got "ppp" wrong when it was shouted out to him, "tpp,"

he said, "ppp." and i think everyone across the ballot is wondering, do i get my resume better. do i start calling around and finding a job. >> ppp, you know me. anyone else hate that when that happens? sorry. >> he's down with ppp. >> so to the maddow brief, what do you do to get the essence of the ad lib trump with an eye toward controlling the material and the outbursts and avoid the teleprompter scripted trump, hugh? >> murder boards. he ought to be doing more murder boards. they just practice and practice and practice. and people call you out when you throw off completely tin-eared response. and you get some briefing books and learn something beyond, "we're going to get great deals." you start to engage on the issues. when he ran through egypt,

syria, status of forces agreement server. that should have been the speech. i don't know if anyone had the capacity to write that at trump tower today, but that should have been the speech. >> john podesta is with us, chairman of the clinton campaign. thank you very much on this big night for your effort, for making time to join us, john. and i'm wondering how you are approaching the two major challenges. number one, within your party, fusing together two movements about as separate as they could be under the democratic umbrella, and number two, preparing for a run against an unpredictable opponent who was thrown out the prior rule book of politics. >> well, brian, thanks for having me on tonight. and it's an historic night, as you know. and i think you saw a glimpse of that last week, when hillary was campaigning in california. took trump on directly, talked about why he was unfit to be commander in chief. and she was talking to

democratic primary voters at that time, as well. you know, she's going to speak tonight, on the support that senator sanders has gotten. i don't know if you can hear me. there's a lot of shouteding in the background. >> we can hear you, sir. >> okay. there's a -- but she also wants to talk about what she wants to do for the country. how we can be stronger together. how we can build an economy that's going to work for the middle class. >> mr. podesta, it's rachel maddow in new york. thank you so much for being with us tonight. let me ask you very specifically. if secretary clinton is going to call bernie sanders tonight or if she has called him already. >> i'm sure she's going to talk to we areny soon and begin the process of bringing the two campaigns together to, again, honor what he's achieved, but also to be able to, you know, appeal to his voters. and she'll talk to them directly

tonight about moving the country in a progressive direction. what they've been all about, and you know, we're trying to appeal to him, to his voters, and we'll have some help, i think, with people who have been on the sidelines like president obama here in the near future. >> hmm. in terms of a specific involvement of senator sanders directly, looking ahead at the democratic national convention, i went back today and i looked at secretary clinton's prime-time speech from the obama nominating convention in 2008. she was there, as his fiercest opponent from the primary, but also as someone who endorsed him, who put his name in for a nomination on the floor of that convention, who was working very hard for him by that point. what would you want to see from senator sanders, if you're going to, if you expect to see him in a prime-time speaking spot at that convention. what does he need to do to come toward your house at this point? >> well, rachel, look, he's going to need some time to think

about what he wants to do, but we're confident that as he said, he wants to great donald trump, we can come together. the differences between us and trump are so much greater than the differences between senator sanders and hillary clinton. so i think we have time to work through that, but as you know, tonight we're standing here. we've gotten 3 more million votes, we're winning a majority of the pledged delegates tonight. so we look forward to having him reflect on that and, of course, in 2008, when senator obama won the pledged delegates, secretary clinton endorsed him, campaigned for him, and we're hoping to see senator sanders join forces with us, join our campaigns together to take on the challenge of trump and really bring -- build a brighter future for america. that's what bernie sanders has been talking about in this campaign. that's what we want to achieve and we want to go forward and do

it together. >> john, one last question from me. donald trump told the world tonight he's going to come after team clinton with a speech he thinks monday of next week. while you're charged with running a single candidate named clinton, it also strikes me, you're charged with defending a an entire family named clinton. have you pressure tested that? and are you ready to defend whatever arises next week? >> yeah, i don't think the american public really wants to kind of re-live the charges that he's throwing out. he's been doing it for a while. it hasn't worked. and i think we're ready to go ahead and talk about what he's all about, which is self-aggrandizement, division, bigotry, what he did last week with respect to his comments about judge curiel are something that revealed who he really is as a person. so if he wants to debate personalities, i think at least our campaign will debate with him.

i think hillary will try to spend her time talking about what the future could be with a progressive democratic president in the white house. but we will take him on and i think there's a lot to take on from his business practices to the bigotry he's shown in this campaign. >> mr. trump has said he's not going to announce his vice presidential running mate basically until the republican convention, keeping up the suspense and keeping a lot of republicans who are hopefuls for that slot kissing his ring between now and then in the hopes they'll be picked. can you give us any confidence as to when secretary clinton will announce her running mate? >> rachel, i wasn't sure i could understand your full question, but i think when it comes to donald trump's running mate and whether he wants to run a miss universe contest at his convention, you know wing, i think you see republicans running away from him in the

last couple of days, so there may not be that many people standing on the stage who want to raise their hand and work with him by the time he gets to cleveland next july. >> when should we expect to hear about secretary clinton's running mate? >> we're just beginning that process. we've had a long, tough primary. we've honored what the candidates talking about. we're thinking about who's an appropriate running mate for her. she'll make that final decision based primarily on who she thinks could fill in if something were to happen and they needed to step into those shoes. but we're just at the beginning of that process. >> john podesta, thank you very much for joining us tonight from the brooklyn navy yard, prior to hearing from secretary clinton, john podesta the national campaign chairman of the clinton campaign. we go quickly to more news from one of the democratic caucuses

tonig tonight. north dakota, the projected winner. the story of the democrats this session goes. >> this is the last caucus bernie sanders has done so well in the caucus states and it's interesting, when we think about maybe one of the potential j outcomes of this democratic primary being a reform of the process, one of the small "d" democratic reformis that a lot f people talking about are getting rid of caucuses. senator sanders has said repeatedly as he's done so well in this them year that he quite likes caucuses. he has really benefitted from them as a system. but he's got to win in the final one there tonight in north dakota. >> the state pronounced north dakota with a brooklyn accent goes for bernie sanders. i believe we're going to take another break and when we come back, among others joining us, we'll go to lawrence o'donnell with his reaction to what we've seen unfold thus far.

as we've been seeing in the background, every time we show them to them, the crowd goes wild. the crowd waiting to hear from hillary clinton at the brooklyn navy yard tonight. a couple more minutes, we could see her before that crowd. >> and we just got a tweet from the hillary clinton twitter account. some of the ways that politicians signify that it's actually them sending a personal tweet is when they put their initial at the end of this.

the president does this and hillary clinton signs her personally posted tweets, "to every little girl who dreams big, yes, you can be anything you want, even president. tonight is for you." there. obviously campaign trail photo from somewhere. but this, is you know this is what we're going to expect to hear tonight from hillary clinton. a real focus on what is historic about this nomination. they're frustrated by the timing of that call about it associated press and nbc news last night is because they didn't want a distraction in terms of contesting the nature of the call or some networks calling and some other networks not calling it. they wanted everybody to be focused on what is truly unique about this particular candidate clinching there nomination which is that no woman has never been major nominee before. so i think you'll see the

clinton campaign try to put the spotlight back on that aspect of what just happened. andrea mitchell had some reporting to that infect leeffe. the clinton campaign is going to show a video that is three minutes long that is going to show people like gloria steinham and pioneering women in american history trying to contexturalize this night. and so we'll see her cast herself in a light that she's not always comfortable personally putting herself there. but to night it will be a real spotlight on that topic. >> we've been talking about the democrats for the last few minutes, there was the donald trump speech and reacting to that. we travel across the continent to a beautiful night in santa monica, california, and chris

matthews. >> a guy who was the chairman of the campaign out here, the republican party. mike, you first. trump, he trotted himself out of the country club. put a speech together. did he fix his problem? >> not at all. >> can you put trump on a prompter for a few minutes with a mediocre speech. but that isn't the stain of facism. he has to address what he did and fix it. the flaw of trump is he's a bad candidate. the minute he gets off prompter, he'll hurt himself. >> i thought i heard the spin. there i may be wrong about this judge. but i'm not going to quit. i'm a fighter for you. that seemed to be the spin tonight. >> both the candidates for president are playing the people's emotions. and instead of being careful, well reasoned and talk about policy. donald trump, if it's not tonight, it may be tomorrow. crooked hillary.

she's just -- >> she's going to go to jail. hillary clinton, he's dangerous. he's unfit for office. these are emotions of anger, fear, there is not what the presidency should be about. we should be talking about issues. >> is this going to be like this come november? >> yeah. i'm afraid sichlt it's it is. hill i have going to ignite the republican party if not all of it. that will grow a lead in the public polls. trump will react to. that he'll dig himself in a hole. he'll make more problems like did he with the judge. trump is who trump is. one prompter can't fix that. i think republicans will start dropping off him. we're in for a very long bumpy campaign. >> is this going to be the campaign based on the other guy so terrible you have to vote for me? hillary more than she used to. she may go back to policy. this past week, her success was nailing trump. and it's very hard for a party to win a third term.

president bush won reagan's third term. this is a very hard thing to do unless you have a candidate that scares people. >> we were talking during the break. this state has a tremendous success and assimilating people from below the border, south of the border. this state has a -- it's one of the numbers right now? it seems to me we have to ask our question, to your party chushgs led out here all the years, kcan it ever come back from trump and the message he sends to hispanic americans? >> the state about 50% los angeles county hispanic. it will be 50% or more in 2020. the dem graphics have changed. and we republicans haven't come of age. yes, we can come of age. the state, i think, is slightly right of center. >> the latino inherently are oriented around entrepreneurship, the family, but if you come across as

anti-immigrant, you're lost. >> mike, is it this a good republican leader? >> i think the party is salvagable. it's contingent on how we handle trump. if we look the other way and let him take the racist show to broadway with our brand, we're going to pay a huge long price. if we condemn him, we have a bum nominee. we may have to outlast one term to hillary clinton? >> you see the headline in the daily news tomorrow morning. i'm with the racist paul ryan, the speaker of the house is with the racist as a headline. >> he condemned the remarks strongly. i think it will rise. you saw mark kirk get off the wagon. people can reverse what they say. >> you are going to vote for trum snp. >> i'll never fovote for trump. >> hillary clinton is one of the most unpopular candidates. so i understand the negatives on

trump. but she's one of the most unpopular and she is going to take policies that have failed. not succeeded. we have the worst economic recovery from a recession in history. >> that's the best you got for trump. we're right back you to guys. >> chris, thank you. you're right. you are rirgt to driright to dr down on state of california and the big sky. and we're coming up on the hillary clinton event at the brooklyn navy yard. a lot more still to come on this night of moment for both the democrat and republican parties. they found out who's been hacking into our network.

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10:00 p.m. hour in the east. that means we have our latest poll closing. upper left, that would be montana. of the contest anlt states we're following for the democratic party, the race in montana, too early to call with exactly 0% of the raw vote in. in new mexico, still, too early to call n south dakota, to the right further, still too early to call. we've passed the half way mark in the raw vote in.

new jersey primary, the race we awarded earlier. the most densely populated state in the union. the big prize on the east coast tonight, california is the one we will be waiting for and perhaps waiting and waiting and waiting. and there's the crowd at the brooklyn navy yard. you'll note the hillary logo in the large big screen monitor on the wall upper left. perhaps they would like to regulate the intensity of the crowd so they'll pay attention to the interduction which we know will be a convention style, short, gauzy film. they're allowed to do that to say good things about their candidate before the candidate comes out to address the crowd. >> they have chosen a theme and point for the video and they let it out to the press several hours before that happened.

it's hard to overstate how big california is. 40 million people live in california. just in one city in california in los angeles, can you fit the entire population of north dakota and south dakota and montana with change. so we're looking ahead toward california. 475 pledge delegates there. and the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign both put in absolutely everything they've got into winning that. the race has been clinched by hillary clinton. hillary clinton right now and the sanders people don't want us to say that but it's true. they could be competing for momentum for justification for staying in the race there. and this last hour before we get the poll closing in california, there is just so much on the line in this democratic race.

we heard from donald trump. it was a very stayed environment. a teleprompter speech on a stage surrounded by members of his family in front of a supportive audience. katy tur followed the campaign from the earliest beginnings from the heat of summer as we lit a second summer time season. katy, i won't ask you to editorialize. that's not your role. there seemed to be a discussion in this studio and among our guests that can you have either the unhinged ad libbing donald trump and all the attendant risks that brings, or can you have the teleprompter package donald trump that we saw tonight when it absolutely positively has to hit its target. but there seems to be no middle ground. would that be a fair assessment?

>> i think that would be fair. and in speaking with the aids and speaking with source that's are close to the campaign, they've always been hoping for what they can call a goldilocks trump. somebody who can hit these more practiced speeches without gas but also somebody who can be off the cuff. that is in a way that's been so successful for him this entire campaign. to let trump be trump motto worked extraordinarily well. they realize that they're going into another phase and they're going to try to find that balance. now will this speech help him? i'm told by sources close to the campaign that it would have helped more in two ways. one if it came earlier in the campaign and if he actually came out and apologized or went further to make things right with his attacks on the judge. right now, the biggest problem the campaign is having according to the sources that i've been speaking with on and on and on is that they're having a hard time hiring people for their

communications team. they're looking for vps. the problem they're having is the top people don't trust this campaign. they don't trust the candidate. even when he comes out and makes a more presidential turn like this, they've been burned in the past. they don't want to get burned again. donald trump clearly trying to stem the bleeding with these attacks on him. he didn't mention it tonight at all. but already add scott walker to the core us of condemnations outs. there there are no good choices for president right now. he's also not saying that he's going to support donald trump. officially, donald trump won't be the nominee until the middle of july. that's the kind of time frame that in particular i want to make sure he renounces what he says at least in regards to the judge. this is something that scott walker wanted to see. that's something that many others want to see much it's unclear if that will actually happen. >> yeah, that's an interesting subplot.

tonight as error free as it was, was not enough for especially a lot of fellow republicans of donald trump. the scott walker -- >> yes. scott walker, you know, wisconsin is a swing state. scott walker is somebody who ran a bad and expensive and short presidential campaign. >> other than that, successful. >> got out very quickly though. i don't sthi going to be as tarred by his candidacy as a lot of other people who stayed in as long as they were. he won't be seen as having sour grapes against trump. he'll be a force going forward. one of the possibilities that is a darker possibility around the donald trump racism issue is not that it was an unhinged thing that it was something he said when he was sort of out of control and off message. it is part of the message. that having a racist kpoen toenlt his campaign may be part of trying to drive the racist vote, trying to drive up the white vote through stoking racial animosity.

that factors into what we know about the donald trump national strategy in terms of how he republicans the general election campaign against hillary clinton and the racial kpoen rents interesting and in light of recent develop dg ments troubling. >> let's take a look here at this strategy donald trump seems to be following. let's start at 2012. what he is trying to pull off here, exactly what this looks like 2012, obama-romney this is how it broke down. republicans saw two things. a lot of republicans in washington saw two things. they saw romney winning the white vote 59-39, nearly 60% of the vote in a losing cause. they basically said, we squeezed just about as much as we possibly could out of the white vote and we still lost. and, therefore, the second thing they saw was right down here. latino vote. now this is a group that is a, fast growing. it's share of the electorate has been going up from election to election. and, b, this is a group that's

been competitive in past elections. george w. bush had taken 44% of a latino vote in 2004. you see romney eight years later, down to 27. republicans said we don't think we can get more out of the white vote. but if we can appeal to the latino vote, we can be competitive nationally. that is why there was that push from republicans in washington to do immigration reform. donald trump telegraphed this from the day he got into the race. almost exactly a year ago is i'm not going after a bigger share of the latino vote. i'm not going after immigration reform. his theory is 59% that mitt romney got, that is not the ceiling. his theory he is can drive that up into the of 60s. let me show you how that is going so far. because we can break down into two groups that are basically the same size. they tell a very different storey. first, you can look at white

vote whoersz do not have college degrees. noncollege white voters. check this out. this is the most recent polling. 31% over bill clinton n 2012 mitt romney won by 26 points. already, donald trump has a bigger margin among noncollege white thanksgiving mitt romney god. 58-31 adds up to 89%. that is still undecided in there. he is on pace to drive that thing up even farther, to have maybe a significantly bigger share of that vote. but we said this is half of the white electorate. college graduates, the other half of the white electorate. check this out. same poll. a 44-44 tie in 2012, mitt romney won this group by 14 points. you swhee is happening here. two groups of voters of white voters moving in opposite directions, reacting to donald trump in very opposite ways.

among college degree white voters, donald trump is losing ground from where mitt romney was among noncollege whites. he seems to be gaining ground. you ald those two together. it is base lick i a wash. he is getting what romney got from white voters. that is the clalg for trump. wow, that is a stunning analysis. in terms the way the demographics of this country goes, that's a campaign that could conceivably win this year. it is also speeding very fast on a very short cull did he tack in term of what is going to happen in the country down the road. the proportion of the white population in this country is going to get smaller over time. >> the other thing i want to say is there are republicans who the white vote and president obama

running two straight elections. that growth may not be replicated in 2016. there is a nonwhite falloff. if can you get a bigger share of the white vote, can you do as well as a republican in 2016. >> don't look right now, you have an enormous donald trump over your shoulder. let's go to hugh hewitt. lieu hugh remains from washington. what did the trump spooe speech not do. what is your contention since scott walker spoke out on this. is there work dwroet do? will that have to be refuted for especially trump's fellow republicans to move on? >> i think so, brian. i listen very closely to john padesta, the able and experienced campaign warrior. he used the word bigot twice in the three minutes. the over under in secretary clinton's speech is four or five if not tonight then tomorrow

when she may be moves off of the celebratory and milestone nature of there. i remember my job with richard nixon as a ghostwriter, his famous phrase from those days talking to david frost, i gave him a sword. donald trump has given them a gatt ling gun. the only way to take it away sbi talking about it with the kind of grace and style that one would expect of a president. and dinlt hear thi didn't hear . i'm not where murphy is. i think there is a chance he won't be the nominee. i it this numbers, last point polling data i saw today, 18% of latinos. and a one point lead among anglo women. that's not bad numbers. those are, you know, cooling to room temperature numbers. >> hugh, you know what california does. you r i wonder if he's been out in california long enough. you've seen it change people.

>> yes, that's why i had to leave for a while. hugh hewitt, enjoying an east coast break. thank you for adding to our coverage tonight. thank you for being patient and sticking around with us. we're about to get into the portion portion of the coverage where we go to the brooklyn coverage. and somewhere high above is nbc's andrea mitchell. andrea, if can you hear me, what else do we know before she begins? >> well, first of all, we know the two camps have been talking. so they're not really subinstantive talks. can you hear the crowd get ramped up. just looking to see whether or not they're watching ut. there you go. but that said, we're also seeing

this report in the "new york time times", which we have yet to confirm that bernie sand serz about to lay off a good number of his campaign staff. that is not a good sign. and there say sense of celebration as can you hear. hillary clinton about to give a speech about her role in history. and, you know, the fact that they're talking, the two camps, my sense is there has to be some coming together it because of bernie sandser's commitment to stop donald trump. dianne feinstein's liver room in northwest d.c. when she brought them together exactly eight years ago just before hillary clin conceded. and the two of them met one-on-one. they only had water. dianne feinstein went up stairs and the secret service went outside. that's when the deal was done. i think we're about to see this video. >> yes, apparently the crowd is going to listen to the anthem. i just want fod use this respite to say this is the lead from the

new york times write now. rachael and i are looking at this piece. bernie sanders plans to lay off at least half his campaign staff wednesday as his battered presidential bid continues on despite hillary clin's being declared the presumptive democratic nominee according to two people close to the campaign. we discussed this. no matter what party, no matter what campaign, we've seen a lot of them die. there is a peculiar sadness that arrives at this time. it's tough. you're exhausted. you've poured your heart and soul into it. whether your name is scott walker or bernie sanders. >> that's right. >> and they're reporting that it's advance staff members and field staff members. there are a lot more races to prepare for. there are not many more vents to prepare for. we know that from the campaign from reporting to night that there seems to be no intention that he'll get out before washington, d.c., a week from

tonight. this is winding down of the bernie sanders effort. and onest thi of the things we' watching for is bernie sanders speech. it is late tonight. it is 10:00 p.m. local time in california. and that speech will be as important in terms of thinking about the end of this primary and the state of the democratic party as anything else that we're going to see tonight. hillary clinton is about to claim her moment in the sun. if you're a woman or a girl or if you're the parent or the brother or the uncle or the father of a girl in this country this is something that's going to change your country forever. >> i have two of those categories. speaking of women and girls, let's take a look at the new york post cover for tomorrow's show.

it's still nice to have the bails of papers be thrown out of the truck to the news stanldz around you. new york is going to have one about racism on "the new york post" showing the speaker of the house and donald trump. this is your other alternative. >> yes. >> that won't go over well at the brooklyn navy yard. >> i think our film may be beginning. i think we'll get an independent feed of it so we won't have to show the actual screen in the room. it appears her remarks are getting run out to the podium. >> we're going to see this video and then just hillary clinton speaking on her own.